Help me to understand the fantasim cards.

I understand about the debate about the 4 "fantasim" cards, but I would like to hear more about this. For example, the 1935 Arky card stats are for an actual season that he had which is listed at baseball-reference dot com. The numbers he put up .385-.491-.607 are the numbers he put up in 1935. He also had 35 errors so his fielding numbers are correct.

I get the part about the downward repricing from 12.34 to 10.20 MAY BE tied to his defensive numbers AND/OR his injury risk.

BUT - when I pull him up on Diamond Dope and with NO PARK EFFECTS and get:

LH .602 - .702 - 1.211
RH .586 - .690 - 1.169

I wonder who was the @#$% who created this card and in the first place and why his calculated numbers are so far off ?

Even if I plug in the most conservative and most pitching friendly Forbes '09 it doesnt bring down those numbers by that much. (He played in Forbes)

Can someone explain how a cards calculated numbers could miss the mark on actual so badly ? And I've never played "Fantasim" - what does that mean exactly ?

Fantasim was a rotisserie scoring strat-o-matic game where each available player had 5 seasons' cards. The card you got was randomized like the 70's,80's, or 90's mystery games, but if the player was traded, the card year would be randomized for the new owner (as opposed to the 70's, 80's and 90's game where the card is fixed at the start of the season).

This was one of the first online options, and the cards were not shown to the players. (therefore inaccuracies could not be known by players - and since the game engine was not revealed, many of these cards regularly outperformed the actual seasons)

What I find is quite odd is that in the ATG sets, MANY of these Fantasim inaccurate cards still exist but were not replaced (nor even identified by the masses) - just the 4 most obvious and recent ones.

The objection to the juiced up Vaughan, Dickey, Lajoie, and Mathews cards was that they were not the "legit" strat issue cards. The Fantasim cards were made by TSN to liven up their "Fantasim" game. Looking at the legit cards isssed to replace them, it's clear that (a) these 4 years for these players were great years, and (b) the phony cards were really juiced up.

Hackra, if you know of any other Fantasim cards in the set, please communicate (privately, we don't need any more uproar) with the support group so they can be replaced.

One other thing I think I remember about Fantasim (though I have never played it or considered it) is that the cards were purposely "juiced up" to liven up the rotisserie game.............

rburgh and I posted at the same time

Hackra, if you know of any other Fantasim cards in the set, please communicate (privately, we don't need any more uproar) with the support group so they can be replaced.

Dont we all need to know which cards are considered for being replaced or 'should' be replaced?

Ive gotta be honest, as always- I dont think the new/old administration is handling things correctly.

Communication is still awful, so I imagine that whatever action is taken will be handed down in a memo right before it happens.

One other thing I think I remember about Fantasim (though I have never played it or considered it) is that the cards were purposely "juiced up" to liven up the rotisserie game.............

Sounds very definitive there...running for office anytime soon?

So since the card itself has not changed (except for repricing) this "juiced up" card is still in play in the ATG7 set? It would seem if his numbers are generating a near .600 batting average that the card itself should be removed from the game.

I know this isnt necesarrily true, but I would expect that a card with no park effects should calculate to as close to actual performance as possible. With the possible exception being that if the players actual park were used instead of no park effects. Aren't these cards run through computer simulations thousands of times to simulate the real life numbers?

The card has definitely changed. The power is way down with the ATG VII card.

The card has definitely changed. The power is way down with the ATG VII card.

ok, i see that now. My bad.