The Signs They Are a Changing 1960-69 League - Playing

1. gfdwarf07
2. risden
3. rjnewman
4. allstarinc
5. Rick Smith
6. katzenjammer
7. kenhutchings
8. GordieHowe
9. krazykat
10. LMBombers
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are there really 260 players for 12 teams of 25?We may have to allow max of two players each roster from the 50's at say 700000 or less to allow for this.

1. gfdwarf07
2. risden
3. rjnewman
4. allstarinc
5. Rick Smith
6. katzenjammer
7. kenhutchings
8. GordieHowe
9. krazykat
10. LMBombers
11. ehlekev
12.

There are 216 different hitters and 164 different pitchers with a card from 1960-1969. That is 18 hitters per team and 13.6 pitchers per team so we do have enough players but there will be some low salary players used.

I just shared the player spreadsheet with the commish GFDWARF07. If anyone else wants it just send me your email.

Stadium List - 14 parks to choose from:

Metropolitan Stadium '65 - 7 / 12 / 9 / 9
Fenway Park '67 - 20 / 18 / 17 / 20
Connie Mack Stadium '64 - 12 / 3 / 1 / 8
Busch Stadium '67 - 11 / 11 / 9 / 9
Cleveland Stadium '63 - 7 / 1 / 13 / 7
Cleveland Stadium '66 - 5 / 5 / 10 / 10
Comiskey Park '60 - 12 / 9 / 1 / 7
Dodger Stadium '64 - 4 / 7 / 1 / 1
Forbes Field '65 - 18 / 8 / 1 / 1
Sportsman's Park '60 - 8 / 17 / 15 / 9
Wrigley Field '63 - 4 / 13 / 19 / 10
Wrigley Field '66 - 5 / 9 / 13 / 13
Crosley Field '66 - 13 / 18 / 19 / 19
Shea Stadium '64 - 8 / 8 / 4 / 13

Dan (gfdwarf07) messaged me on FB and suggested that I check this league out. I really love this era, as this is when I first became aware of baseball as a boy.

I want to play, but I'm concerned about the lack of depth in the player pool. By using the advanced search function for player years (what a neat tool, I was not previously aware of it), I counted 295 hitters and 211 pitchers, or a little more than 500 cards from which to choose. However, the player pool is actually much more shallow, as many players have multiple cards (a cursory review shows Groat has 4 cards, Clemente, McCovey, N. Cash, Santo, D. Allen, B. Robinson, Killebrew, E. Howard, Oliva and others have 3 cards and nearly every star player has at least two cards. I didn't even look at the pitchers for duplicates.), meaning that the actual player pool is probably around 350-380. By comparison, the 1969 card set had what, over 600 players? Let's face it, these cards are a poor substitute for the 1969 card set.

Of the available hitters, 2/3 are less than $3 mil and half of the pitchers are less than $3 million.

I don't know about any of you, but I don't want Dal Maxvill or Bobby Wine starting at ss and Julian Javier or Jerry Kindall starting at 2B for me. .249 McAuliffe is the most expensive 2 or better 2nd basemen at ~ $4 mil.

The time to address the perilously thin talent pool is now, before people start drafting and realize only then how lacking the talent pool really is.

While I don't expect anyone to change the rules just to get me to join, I think the league would be far more enjoyable and competitive if the player pool was expanded to include any card of any player who played during the period 1960-1969 as set forth in baseball-reference.com. I created and ran a similar theme league at $100 mil no DH, using any card of any player who played during the period 1950-1969 and it was a lot of fun and the limited player pool resulted in a good balance between pitching and hitting, with the league BA being just .259 and the league ERA being 4.41. The link for that league is below:

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/league/160789

Count me in if the player pool is expanded to include any card based on a major league baseball season of any player who played during the period 1960-1969.

Yes some positions will be shallow but I prefer that to the unlimitless ATG player pool. I only play ATG when the player pool is slashed like this theme. I am looking forward to position scarcity being part of the draft decisions we all will have to make. Do I take Bobby Richardson (a 1 at 2B) at 1.53M for his defense on my next pick or take a better hitter like Frank Howard who will be a defensive liability anywhere you put him in this non-DH league. Strategy decisions like that will be enjoyable but BDWard is correct in that there will be some low priced and low defensive rated players used on our teams.

I am not interested in any league that is not based on the player's carded year in the ATG7 game. His suggestion of looking up each player to determine what years they played is way too time consuming for me to be interested in.

Yes some positions will be shallow but I prefer that to the unlimitless ATG player pool. I only play ATG when the player pool is slashed like this theme. I am looking forward to position scarcity being part of the draft decisions we all will have to make. Do I take Bobby Richardson (a 1 at 2B) at 1.53M for his defense on my next pick or take a better hitter like Frank Howard who will be a defensive liability anywhere you put him in this non-DH league. Strategy decisions like that will be enjoyable but BDWard is correct in that there will be some low priced and low defensive rated players used on our teams.

I am not interested in any league that is not based on the player's carded year in the ATG7 game. His suggestion of looking up each player to determine what years they played is way too time consuming for me to be interested in.

For what it's worth, I absolutely agree. This "limited" player pool is more realistic; having a superstar or near superstar at every position like we see in ATG leagues doesn't lend itself to much creativity in drafting a team.

Am I correct in assuming that all players can be drafted? Meaning there will be two or three Norm Cash's etc.

I am fine either way.

Rick

Rick I am assuming only one card per guy.