Thoughts on new 2012 cards

My perfect Example Posey is 9.79 mil, Miggy is 10.08, a difference of .29 mil.

Can anyone really say that those cards are close to equal?

Even counting defense, I'm sure 100/100 guys would take Miggy every day of the week.

How can anyone look at that and say it is right? Yes yes Posey has 100 TB (unheard of) vs LHP. Wow he will face (injury risk) what 100 ab's? 150 if you're lucky?

the more I've been looking over it, you're right Vis, it has a 2001 feel to it, where certain guys are just so ridiculous they are practically untouchable. And there are clear bargains that you will have to go for. It's kind of nostalgic in a way, heralding back to the early days

We'll get guys saying you don't have to use these guys and we should look for bargains...


BUT


That's what it's come down to? We can't use guys that had good/great years or MLB stars because they are too much and we have to use the 2nd tier guys?

Back then it was the pitching that was out of whack.

Now with the 2012 set, it's both.

Defense, tbh, isn't as overpriced as any other year. Guys like Wright, who has some OBP but not really a ton of TB to drive guys in, should be priced in the 6-7 mil range at most. He looks like a more L leaning vs of De Aza last year, and he was priced (again better vs RHP) at just over 7 mil. How the hell is Wright at 9?

Didn't mean to imply the premium placed on defense was something new this year, it's been going on fro awhile.

My perfect Example Posey is 9.79 mil, Miggy is 10.08, a difference of .29 mil.

Can anyone really say that those cards are close to equal?

Even counting defense, I'm sure 100/100 guys would take Miggy every day of the week.

How can anyone look at that and say it is right? Yes yes Posey has 100 TB (unheard of) vs LHP. Wow he will face (injury risk) what 100 ab's? 150 if you're lucky?

the more I've been looking over it, you're right Vis, it has a 2001 feel to it, where certain guys are just so ridiculous they are practically untouchable. And there are clear bargains that you will have to go for. It's kind of nostalgic in a way, heralding back to the early days

Make it 99/100. Miggy too many DP chances against RH.

Miggy will play 162 games
Posey is a 15 game injury risk (by 1 PA, kind of like Mauer was a few years ago)

the response to the pricing that i foresee is that there will be more 100 million leagues instead of the more regular 80 million.

Wow, this thread took off. On the 3rd page already. Maybe the boards do have a chance of becoming as active as they once were.

Agree the pricing may lead to more 100 mil leagues. I was toying with a draft card and ran out of money with still 9 roster slots to fill. So I switched to 100 mil.

Someone mentioned a concern about being able to have an adequate bullpen with the 12 man limit. The Rangers for much of the year carried 13 pitchers. Given that is how baseball rosters are constructed these days and bullpens ran I think at least in the 200x game we should be allowed to carry 13.

Pricing in many cases is confusing. Chapman, who turned in one of the best closing seasons in history in my opinion, is less expensive the Uehara. Something is wrong with that picture. Either the pricing formula is flawed or if it is accurate based on the cards then the cards are incorrect. No way Uehara should be as valueable as Chapman. Is it possible closer rating was ignored in the pricing formula?

Pricing in many cases is confusing. Chapman, who turned in one of the best closing seasons in history in my opinion, is less expensive the Uehara. Something is wrong with that picture. Either the pricing formula is flawed or if it is accurate based on the cards then the cards are incorrect. No way Uehara should be as valueable as Chapman. Is it possible closer rating was ignored in the pricing formula?

I'll preface this that I (back in the day) used to be on the beta test teams, but when I stopped playing 30+ teams to 5, I didn't think I should be on it anymore and removed myself.

That said, I remember asking that exact question before and the closer rating has a very small effect on the price, some, but talking about less than a mil for sure, most likely even less.

seems like you gotta play in extreme hitting ballparks to get the value out of the more spendy guys.