Deja Vu League -- Season 28

Lumbercompanysouth Drops

Meek
Lyon
Kuo
Franklin
Happ
Barton
Vizquel
Ellis

I have 41 on my roster. Release Moyer immediately, drops to be announced after playoffs.

I have 41 on my roster. Release Moyer immediately, drops to be announced after playoffs.

OK, thanks. final roster update completed for 2010 season!

By 2013, I've got guys like Manny playing in Taiwan and Vlad out on Long Island. Must be time to clean house...

WILD THINGS' DROPS (15):

Murphy, Donnie
McGehee,Casey
Uribe, Juan
Scott, Luke
Rasmus, Colby
Ramirez,Manny
Guerrero,Vladimir
Drew, JD
De La Rosa, Jorge
Danks, John
Sanchez, Jonathan
Burnett,Sean
Sanches.Brian
Breslow, Craig
Wheeler, Dan

The Wild Things are likely to be pretty tame for 2011, so I'm willing to consider offers for the following guys from 2011 contender teams in exchange for talent upgrades for 2012 and beyond:

Josh Johnson, SP - $9.21
Dan Haren, SP - $5.70
Ryan Howard, 1B - $5.18
David Ross, C - $4.65

Want to make the playoffs in 2011? Let's chat...

I would like to propose that "future considerations" trades not be allowed. Also any deals that involve "renting and returning" a player. Nothing personal against anyone who has made these deals but they can cause problems, especially if an owner leaves.

Jack, you mentioned an interest in this last month. Can you propose some language that would be enforceable, so that we can vote on it?

Terry

Isn't that the commish's job ?

"All trades must be for either players currently on a team's roster or draft picks. Trades for future considerations or players to be named later are not allowed and will be voided. Team's may not trade players to a team with the intention of reacquiring the player at a later date."

There is not anything to keep two owners from arranging these types of deals in private but hopefully everyone will follow the spirit of the rules and not do so. At least with the rule in place if an owner leaves the league there won't be any issues with new owners inheriting future considerations, etc.

Travelingjack proposes an addition to the league rules. The front end of it is enforceable and hopefully managers will live by the spirit of it at the back end. Should this rule be adopted?

"All trades must be for either players currently on a team's roster or draft picks. Trades for future considerations or players to be named later are not allowed and will be voided. Team's may not trade players to a team with the intention of reacquiring the player at a later date."

1. travelingjack - yes
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"All trades must be for either players currently on a team's roster or draft picks. Trades for future considerations or players to be named later are not allowed and will be voided. Team's may not trade players to a team with the intention of reacquiring the player at a later date."

Just as an example, travelingjack recently traded Oswalt to padre for his '11 5th round pick. I really don't see much difference if instead he had traded Verlander for the 5th round pick and a player to be named later which turned out to be Verlander. I understand if someone personally doesn't like this kind of deal, but I don't see how that would have had a more negative effect on the league (or padre's team for that matter) than the deal they did make. The net result would basically be the same. Padre trades his 5th round pick for 40 games or so worth of top notch starting pitching and has nothing to show for it after the '10 season.

Anyway, I'll definitely go along with whatever the majority wants but I'm voting no to this rule change. I don't really see the point in trying to put these kind of restrictions on trades. If it helps both teams in some way, I don't see the problem. I don't see much difference between a new owner inheriting missing draft picks versus owing future considerations/ players to be named. To me draft picks essentially are future considerations. The real issue seems to be not having owners leave, especially after they've stripped away future picks/ good young players, but I don't see how this rule change has any effect on that. (and we haven't actually encountered this problem in this league because Joe Kendall's team is in very good shape and I have to believe that padrenurgle isn't going anywhere)

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the subject. If it aint actually broke, why fix it? And as always, the horsemen are open to any and all trade discussions this offseason.

"All trades must be for either players currently on a team's roster or draft picks. Trades for future considerations or players to be named later are not allowed and will be voided. Team's may not trade players to a team with the intention of reacquiring the player at a later date."

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Dr., you got me there ! I think you're right. We can't avoid or prevent a manager from doin' a liquidation sale of his future and then leave. I guess we just have to believe in the honesty of the managers.

So:

"All trades must be for either players currently on a team's roster or draft picks. Trades for future considerations or players to be named later are not allowed and will be voided. Team's may not trade players to a team with the intention of reacquiring the player at a later date."

1. travelingjack - yes
2. tcochran - yes
3. Dr.Publix- no
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