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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 9:23 am

If there's anybody who is a little bit "pitcher heavy" who would like to trade...I will take ANY of your pitchers (budget allowing) in exchange for my next pick. First come first served!

Just post on here what pitcher I get, and go ahead and take my next pick for me when it comes up.
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 9:42 am

Round Twenty
1. Delbird - Adam Kennedy
2. GeoffBrookes - Miguel Olivo
3 Gmac - Scott Hairston
4. CATom - Miguel Cairo
5. robertlatorre - Alberto Callaspo
6. sphilipp8 - Jeff Baker
7. FAaron - Ryan Sweeney
8. pwootten - Coors Field
9. MrKite - Safeco Field
10. AllStar Inc - Adam Lind
11. carlerik - Aubrey Huff
12. calostevez -

Round Twenty-One
1. carlostevez -
2. carlerik -
3. AllStarInc -
4. MrKite -
5. pwootten -
6. FAaron -
7. sphilipp8 -
8. robertlatorre -
9. CATom -
10. Gmac -
11. GeoffBrookes -
12. Delbird -
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 9:43 am

AllStarInc wrote:If there's anybody who is a little bit "pitcher heavy" who would like to trade...I will take ANY of your pitchers (budget allowing) in exchange for my next pick. First come first served!


I'd love to help, but I think a lot of us are either short on pitchers, or we just have enough! I only JUST have enough, with making all 3 free agent picks to get to 11.

**QUESTIONS FOR COMISH** -

1. Paul - do we need to "draft" 11 pitchers, or can we draft 10 pitchers and auto draft an 11th from the bottom of the scrap heap, only to cut him and pick up are "protected" drafted free agent player as a "waiver pick"? In other words, do we really need to "draft" 11 pitchers, or can we draft 10 pitchers and 15 position players as part of our drafts on the boards? In a lot of ways, it makes sense to let us draft only 10 FA pitchers and 15 batters, if we choose to, including our 3 FA picks, since once the season is live, we can actually drop our last 3 FA picks if we choose, and substitute them anyway. [**Can we? I thought we could - ?**]. So why not let us "draft" 15 batters and 10 pitchers if we choose to? That would give us more freedom to make trades in the meantime, since we are not constrained to having 11 pitchers.

(It's a "given" that we must have 4 pure relievers, since that is a strat requirement. So we will still need to draft pure RPs as free agent picks in order to get to the 4 pure reliever requirement).

The problem with the pitchers is that it seems like there just isn't enough of them in this player pool for all 6 seasons - especially pure RPs. (By the way, that surprises me. It's not what I expected to be the case. Crappy pitchers, yes, but too few of them, no.) I don't get the impression that anyone is hoarding a lot of pitchers!

The main benefit of this ruling would be that we can use that ONE EXTRA FA PICK to help shore up positional deficits. For example, while I have all main positions covered, I have only 1 first baseman, and only 3 other players who can play 2b/ss. There aren't many players left in the player pool that can cover these positions. Now, admittedly, part of my problem is that I've painted myself into a corner by not saving more cash for my picks. I could still quite easily get my roster done with a few more cheap picks, but not at the right positions. I can already field a legal roster, but 2 of my 3 FA picks will be to take pure relievers. **It's that third free agent pick that could really help me to get a cheap depth player at 1b-2b-ss.**'

As an aside, I really do hope that all of the remaining cheap players don't get picked before I can get to them, because I really need to get some cheap players with my next 3 picks to get in under my budget. I can average $710,000 per player with my next 3 picks and still field a legal roster after my 3 FA picks. But if I can't get under that threshold per player, then I will have to make a trade in order to meet the salary cap requirements at $80 million.

2. Paul, I'm sure we've asked you several times, and you've answered several times, but please - one more time - if I trade a player (see my previous paragraph), does the player that I acquire in the trade count as one of my 22 6 season picks? I thought that the answer to this is "yes".

3. Do we need to field a team of 25 players? I thought that the answer to this is "yes". But worth rechecking. At 24 players my cost constraints get loosened up considerably.

Thanks Paul!!!
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 9:57 am

I might as well open up the trade talks now, since the cheap players are going lot hot cakes now.

If anyone has any cap space and is interested in a player or pitcher, make me an offer. I really would prefer to not make a trade, and I'm not too far off on cap space. It's just that there aren'y many (any?) cheap players left.

Positions (cheap) that I would like to get include - 1b,2b,ss,lf, rp (pure).

Players available to trade for cheaper players at the same position - BJ Upton, Cook (SP), Hill (2b). I'm already cheap at catcher, 1b and ss. I could make other players available, but those would be my first choices to trade for cheaper. Other players for trade, if necessary, include Ludwick, and (less willing to trade) Alex Rodriguez and Miguel Cabrera. I could also consider trading one of my premier SP's and RP's, but I'd really rather not (Peavy, Halladay, Lincecum, Bell, Valverde). Again, I would need to get the same position or pitcher back in return, but just a little cheaper - by a million or so, maybe 2 million.

I could also trade Hart (RF) for cheaper at the same position.
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 10:52 am

**QUESTIONS FOR COMISH** -

1. Paul - do we need to "draft" 11 pitchers, or can we draft 10 pitchers and auto draft an 11th from the bottom of the scrap heap, only to cut him and pick up are "protected" drafted free agent player as a "waiver pick"? In other words, do we really need to "draft" 11 pitchers, or can we draft 10 pitchers and 15 position players as part of our drafts on the boards? In a lot of ways, it makes sense to let us draft only 10 FA pitchers and 15 batters, if we choose to, including our 3 FA picks, since once the season is live, we can actually drop our last 3 FA picks if we choose, and substitute them anyway. [**Can we? I thought we could - ?**]. So why not let us "draft" 15 batters and 10 pitchers if we choose to? That would give us more freedom to make trades in the meantime, since we are not constrained to having 11 pitchers. We can draft any configuration as long as it is usable on opening day. If a manager drafts ten pitchers he can pick up a scrub, then cut him during waivers. I suspect there will be more than a few ten-pitcher teams.

(It's a "given" that we must have 4 pure relievers, since that is a strat requirement. So we will still need to draft pure RPs as free agent picks in order to get to the 4 pure reliever requirement).
Correct. There will be a run on pure relievers during the free agent draft.

The problem with the pitchers is that it seems like there just isn't enough of them in this player pool for all 6 seasons - especially pure RPs. (By the way, that surprises me. It's not what I expected to be the case. Crappy pitchers, yes, but too few of them, no.) I don't get the impression that anyone is hoarding a lot of pitchers!
Pitchers are indeed in short supply, particularly quality pitchers and relievers. The reduction in franchise players as we move forward should alleviate most of the squeeze. There are going to be some interesting rotations during 2007 though!

The main benefit of this ruling would be that we can use that ONE EXTRA FA PICK to help shore up positional deficits. For example, while I have all main positions covered, I have only 1 first baseman, and only 3 other players who can play 2b/ss. There aren't many players left in the player pool that can cover these positions. Now, admittedly, part of my problem is that I've painted myself into a corner by not saving more cash for my picks. I could still quite easily get my roster done with a few more cheap picks, but not at the right positions. I can already field a legal roster, but 2 of my 3 FA picks will be to take pure relievers. **It's that third free agent pick that could really help me to get a cheap depth player at 1b-2b-ss.**'
From what I can see you are far from alone Geoff.

As an aside, I really do hope that all of the remaining cheap players don't get picked before I can get to them, because I really need to get some cheap players with my next 3 picks to get in under my budget. I can average $710,000 per player with my next 3 picks and still field a legal roster after my 3 FA picks. But if I can't get under that threshold per player, then I will have to make a trade in order to meet the salary cap requirements at $80 million.
Its the trades that are going to make this extra challenging and fun. I've talked to a couple managers, neither of them is me by the way, who anticipated this problem early on and drafted accordingly. I wish I had used more foresight.

2. Paul, I'm sure we've asked you several times, and you've answered several times, but please - one more time - if I trade a player (see my previous paragraph), does the player that I acquire in the trade count as one of my 22 6 season picks? I thought that the answer to this is "yes".
It's okay to continue to ask questions. They keep me on my toes! Only if you trade keepers do they remain keepers. Free agents traded for keepers do not count as keepers. Once a keeper, always a keeper.
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 10:59 am

Gbrookes! I can trade you Adam Lind ($0.50 LF) for Aaron Cook (SP)
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 12:28 pm

Round Twenty
1. Delbird - Adam Kennedy
2. GeoffBrookes - Miguel Olivo
3 Gmac - Scott Hairston
4. CATom - Miguel Cairo
5. robertlatorre - Alberto Callaspo
6. sphilipp8 - Jeff Baker
7. FAaron - Ryan Sweeney
8. pwootten - Coors Field
9. MrKite - Safeco Field
10. AllStar Inc - Adam Lind
11. carlerik - Aubrey Huff
12. calostevez - Eric Hinske

Round Twenty-One
1. carlostevez - Luke Scott
2. carlerik -
3. AllStarInc -
4. MrKite -
5. pwootten -
6. FAaron -
7. sphilipp8 -
8. robertlatorre -
9. CATom -
10. Gmac -
11. GeoffBrookes -
12. Delbird -
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 12:43 pm

Round Twenty
1. Delbird - Adam Kennedy
2. GeoffBrookes - Miguel Olivo
3 Gmac - Scott Hairston
4. CATom - Miguel Cairo
5. robertlatorre - Alberto Callaspo
6. sphilipp8 - Jeff Baker
7. FAaron - Ryan Sweeney
8. pwootten - Coors Field
9. MrKite - Safeco Field
10. AllStar Inc - Adam Lind
11. carlerik - Aubrey Huff
12. calostevez - Eric Hinske

Round Twenty-One
1. carlostevez - Luke Scott
2. carlerik - Ian Stewart
3. AllStarInc -
4. MrKite -
5. pwootten -
6. FAaron -
7. sphilipp8 -
8. robertlatorre -
9. CATom -
10. Gmac -
11. GeoffBrookes -
12. Delbird -
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 1:14 pm

Round Twenty
1. Delbird - Adam Kennedy
2. GeoffBrookes - Miguel Olivo
3 Gmac - Scott Hairston
4. CATom - Miguel Cairo
5. robertlatorre - Alberto Callaspo
6. sphilipp8 - Jeff Baker
7. FAaron - Ryan Sweeney
8. pwootten - Coors Field
9. MrKite - Safeco Field
10. AllStar Inc - Adam Lind
11. carlerik - Aubrey Huff
12. calostevez - Eric Hinske

Round Twenty-One
1. carlostevez - Luke Scott
2. carlerik - Ian Stewart
3. AllStarInc - Scott Rolen
4. MrKite -
5. pwootten -
6. FAaron -
7. sphilipp8 -
8. robertlatorre -
9. CATom -
10. Gmac -
11. GeoffBrookes -
12. Delbird -
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Re: 2007-12 Six-Season Keeper League - Draft in Progress

PostTue Jun 04, 2013 2:00 pm

AllStarInc wrote:Gbrookes! I can trade you Adam Lind ($0.50 LF) for Aaron Cook (SP)


Thanks - I accept the trade!
:)
Geoff
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