Outfield defense 4?

How bad does a, say, RF4(-1) hurt you over the cours of a season compared to his good offensive numbers?

How bad does a, say, RF4(-1) hurt you over the cours of a season compared to his good offensive numbers?

I need to know his e-rating as well.

But I can give you some general advice, based on the way that I analyze it.

I don't have my spreadsheets open, so I'll give you the cole's notes version the way I see it.

I use the following point systems, per die roll chance on a hitter's card:

Walk/HBP - 1.4
Single (or 1 base error) - 2
Double (or 2 base error)- 3.25
Triple - 4.44
Homerun 5.75 (or 6 if I'm lazy doing it in my head).



The difference between a 4 range rating in RF versus a 3 range rating in RF is worth about 12 points on die roll chances on the batter card. Since a roll of "4" is 3 times as likely as a roll of "2", it gets a die roll chance number of 3, for 3 times as likely. A complete set of die roll chances for 1 column is as follows:

2- 1 die roll chance
3- 2 die roll chances
4- 3 chances
5- 4 chances
6- 5 chances
7- 6 chances
8 - 5 chances
9 - 4 chances
10 - 3 chances
11 - 2 chances
12 - 1 chance

for a total of 36 die roll chances per column, or 108 for a batter's card.

So, a single on die roll of 4 would be worth 6 points in my system.

According to my calculations, the difference in range between a 3 RF and a 4 RF would be about 12 points - or worth approximately a single reading on a roll of "7" (2 for a single time 6 die roll chances, or 12 in total). Or, it would be worth approximately a homerun on a roll of "3" or "11" (6 times 2 = 12). You need to also think about what ballpark you are in and how many ballpark HR chances the hitter has, and what the probably number of HR's he would get from those compared to the other player. Basically, you could add up all of the points for each Walk, HBP or base hit on each of the batter cards, and compare the totals. You can then determine whether or not the batter with the superior hitting more than makes up for his 12 point range disadvantage.

Keep in mind that these figures are very approximate, and that they are just my own system. Also keep in mind that there are many other factors that may affect the best choice, much like a choice of strategies in chess. Other factors would include the pitching staffs on other teams, especially your divisional rivals (L vs R handed, L vs R balanced) base stealing and base running (including your own team strategy, whether it is focused on small ball or home runs), etc.

Also, re the error rating, for a RF, I would adjust the fielding effect by 1 point for each error rating at RF. So if one RF was e5 and the other was e9, I would assign a 4 point advantage to the e5 RF.

Any other advice from other managers??

Hope this helps. If you have more questions, fire away!

Geoff

Geoff.......he is an e2. It is Bobby Abreu from the 2008 season

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/pl ... 008/346518

Who's the other player your comparing him too, and what ballpark are you playing in?

I used to use 4's in the OF all the time, have pretty much stopped. But sometimes you gotta take offense where you can.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/te ... ng/1025437

Fielding show less chances available and makes less than 50% of them, which means probably gave up a lot of doubles.

I used to use 4's in the OF all the time, have pretty much stopped. But sometimes you gotta take offense where you can.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/te ... ng/1025437

Fielding show less chances available and makes less than 50% of them, which means probably gave up a lot of doubles.

I agree, geekor. You can still play Abreu (2008) if it fits in with your team strategy, and/or if he is a good fit for who the opposing pitchers are likely to be. You just have to take into account his lack of range in RF, as something that detracts from his offensive contribution.

Check out the super-advanced fielding chart at this link:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bernieh ... s.jpg.html

The chances of a 4 RF giving up a hit are 11/20 vs. 3/20 for a 2 fielder, a difference of 8/20 or 40%. The RFx occurs on a pitcher card on a 3 or 11, which has 2 chances out of 108 to be rolled, so you can conclude that a 4 fielder will add .8 more hit chances to a pitcher card than a 2 would.

The calculations are summarized for all the positions, along with the e-ratings, in this chart I found some time ago:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf ... atfldg.htm

Check out the super-advanced fielding chart at this link:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bernieh ... s.jpg.html

The chances of a 4 RF giving up a hit are 11/20 vs. 3/20 for a 2 fielder, a difference of 8/20 or 40%. The RFx occurs on a pitcher card on a 3 or 11, which has 2 chances out of 108 to be rolled, so you can conclude that a 4 fielder will add .8 more hit chances to a pitcher card than a 2 would.

The calculations are summarized for all the positions, along with the e-ratings, in this chart I found some time ago:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf ... atfldg.htm

Awesome! I was trying to find those charts online. You got it - thanks!

I used to use 4's in the OF all the time, have pretty much stopped. But sometimes you gotta take offense where you can.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/te ... ng/1025437

Fielding show less chances available and makes less than 50% of them, which means probably gave up a lot of doubles.

I agree, geekor. You can still play Abreu (2008) if it fits in with your team strategy, and/or if he is a good fit for who the opposing pitchers are likely to be. You just have to take into account his lack of range in RF, as something that detracts from his offensive contribution.

In my division, there are just 4 LH starters. Facing primarily RHP I just need to hope that his offensive numbers against predominately RHP will override what his defense gives up. I personally do not like using 4 defense players in the OF, but playing in Yankee Stadium '08 I needed more offense from the left side and Abreu was the best FA outfielder available. I have defense for late in the game, so he wont hurt me late if I have a lead. BIG gamble, I know, but hopefully wont have to make a change as the season moves on.