NLD 33

Awfully quiet.

Not much to say anymore...disappointed with the results thus far.

Just out of curiosity, I know a couple from here play ATG, i'm wondering why more don't? Seems more interesting to me and a lot of fun to play with the greats of the past. I'd love to do an NLD version of it but I know it probably won't happen as most here don't play it. Any chance of that happening?

For those of you who don't play it i'd recommend you give it a shot...it really is a lot of fun building teams and many more strategies to try than in the 20xx game.

Awfully quiet.

Not much to say anymore...disappointed with the results thus far.

Just out of curiosity, I know a couple from here play ATG, i'm wondering why more don't? Seems more interesting to me and a lot of fun to play with the greats of the past. I'd love to do an NLD version of it but I know it probably won't happen as most here don't play it. Any chance of that happening?

For those of you who don't play it i'd recommend you give it a shot...it really is a lot of fun building teams and many more strategies to try than in the 20xx game.

I have played just a little ATG. I'm currently in an AL round robin. I really, really like that concept for ATG, for where I'm at right now. It's so much fun for me reliving some of the cool teams from the past. I'm currently starting a season with the midwest expansion, which is essentially 2 teams - the Milwaukee Brewers and the KC Royals. I don't think there's many trade secrets for that concept, so I'll share here that I am SUPER PUMPED to have Molitor and Brett's best cards on the SAME TEAM!!!! Playing in Kauffman (actually Royals 1980). (17/20 for ballpark singles, 3/3 for ballpark home runs). Looking forward to seeing if I can get Brett anywhere close to .400 (real life was .390, but of course it's tough competition with a $100 million cap). I haven't had the Yankees yet - I've had Minnesota, Baltimore, and Oakland. Made the finals with Oakland, but missed the playoffs with Minny and Baltimore. Love the old Baltimore team, but they're ALL FUN!

I support your comments Corky. I've played just a few ATG seasons apart from this round robin, and they've all been fun. Definitely a different spin to the actual gaming, with the wide diversity of ballparks available. Basically means a little more strategy. The main difference from 200x is in the pitching, where the ATG SPs really did start every 4th game and go deep into games. I've had to really think about what roster strategies to use. I really haven't settled on anything yet.

Haven't tried ATG. Between a netplay league, a couple of keepers here plus NLD and Jeep's theme leagues I have a lot going on.

I also use the yearly ratings disk as a crutch for my SOM play. While I don't do anything as extensive as Joe's ratings I have some simple formulas that were shared by Penngray years ago that I use to enhance the ratings information. I keep a separate spreadsheet for each league I'm in and rely on this to help build my team and compare with other teams in my division.

I think I'd be lost without similar information in ATG.

Haven't tried ATG. Between a netplay league, a couple of keepers here plus NLD and Jeep's theme leagues I have a lot going on.

I also use the yearly ratings disk as a crutch for my SOM play. While I don't do anything as extensive as Joe's ratings I have some simple formulas that were shared by Penngray years ago that I use to enhance the ratings information. I keep a separate spreadsheet for each league I'm in and rely on this to help build my team and compare with other teams in my division.

I think I'd be lost without similar information in ATG.

True.

Re 2012 and our league, I use a simple formula which goes like this:

Walks (and IBB) * 1.4 + singles*2 + doubles * 3.25 + triples * 4.44 + HR * 6 (technically 5.75 but I use 6 for easy math)

I use the same theory for evaluating fielding and pitching. I don't try to mathematically evaluating stealing, running, and arms, but I try to use an intuitive approach for those items, without numbers.

I find that these factors have a very high correlation with strats left-right balance factors, for batters factor divided by 10, and pitchers factors divided by 7. Ie. 1 balance factor for batters =10 points in my formula, or 7 points for pitchers.

This is loosely based on 2 sources - Dean's paper on strat and run production, and some empirical data and regression analysis that Marcus Wilby (Luckyman) shared with me.

I have this in a spreadsheet, but it looks awful in terms of neatness, so I wanted to clean it up and broaden it for our whole league before I shared it with everyone. It's something that I want to do for the group's interest, but have trouble finding the time. Will try to do it this coming week.

Re ATG - in all honesty, I find that my sentimentality gets in the way of working at winning strategies. I "want" to do certain things for the fun of the historical aspects, and that's just plain fun. But it isn't always the best winning strategy! But the best part is the fun!

Haven't tried ATG. Between a netplay league, a couple of keepers here plus NLD and Jeep's theme leagues I have a lot going on.

I also use the yearly ratings disk as a crutch for my SOM play. While I don't do anything as extensive as Joe's ratings I have some simple formulas that were shared by Penngray years ago that I use to enhance the ratings information. I keep a separate spreadsheet for each league I'm in and rely on this to help build my team and compare with other teams in my division.

I think I'd be lost without similar information in ATG.

Hey Stoney, Maybe, if you're nice to me, I'll give you an NLD discount for ATG!!! :p Actually, I've done ATG a few times and find it fun, but I like the NLD and the recent teams better as I think it's more of a challenge. I haven't tried any "theme" leagues with ATG. I'd be game if we wanted to try one.

In the mean time, we can't seem to score runs. 4 tonight at home while giving up 22. I don't understand this game sometimes. You're just not going to score much when your 3 (wright), 4 (Rizzo), and 5 (Hunter) are hitting .241 (228 v RHP), .252 (v RHP only) and .265. Just hard to do. I *think* these guys have better cards than that, but maybe not. Going to have to hit better than that to get back in the hunt.

Jet

gbrookes, just curious but have you played this game under a different name in the past?

No, my name on the TSN site was GeoffB.

I started playing strat online in the summer of 2008.

Geoff, the reason I ask is that I did some work with luckyman years ago also. I have a modified version of one of his formulas that goes back to 2004 I believe, so I'd be curious to see if the one he shared with you more recently is any different or just the same.

Haven't tried ATG. Between a netplay league, a couple of keepers here plus NLD and Jeep's theme leagues I have a lot going on.

I also use the yearly ratings disk as a crutch for my SOM play. While I don't do anything as extensive as Joe's ratings I have some simple formulas that were shared by Penngray years ago that I use to enhance the ratings information. I keep a separate spreadsheet for each league I'm in and rely on this to help build my team and compare with other teams in my division.

I think I'd be lost without similar information in ATG.

True.

Re 2012 and our league, I use a simple formula which goes like this:

Walks (and IBB) * 1.4 + singles*2 + doubles * 3.25 + triples * 4.44 + HR * 6 (technically 5.75 but I use 6 for easy math)

I use the same theory for evaluating fielding and pitching. I don't try to mathematically evaluating stealing, running, and arms, but I try to use an intuitive approach for those items, without numbers.

I find that these factors have a very high correlation with strats left-right balance factors, for batters factor divided by 10, and pitchers factors divided by 7. Ie. 1 balance factor for batters =10 points in my formula, or 7 points for pitchers.

This is loosely based on 2 sources - Dean's paper on strat and run production, and some empirical data and regression analysis that Marcus Wilby (Luckyman) shared with me.

I have this in a spreadsheet, but it looks awful in terms of neatness, so I wanted to clean it up and broaden it for our whole league before I shared it with everyone. It's something that I want to do for the group's interest, but have trouble finding the time. Will try to do it this coming week.

Re ATG - in all honesty, I find that my sentimentality gets in the way of working at winning strategies. I "want" to do certain things for the fun of the historical aspects, and that's just plain fun. But it isn't always the best winning strategy! But the best part is the fun!

^^^^

BigMahon, my "formula" is as simple as what I typed in my previous post on this page, which I quoted here.

Luckyman didn't really share his formula with me. What he did is refer me to a website which had decades of linear regression analysis, which attempted to infer a run production model from actual historical baseball team data, team by team, year by year.

What I did was pick one of the more recent years from that regression analysis, and I took a simple average of the factors attributed to walks, singles doubles etc. for ALL of the teams for that ONE year. The factors that I am using were derived in that fashion.

In terms of a "structure" and "theory" for analyzing players and run production, I drew heavily on DeanTSC's written paper on this subject, which I feel is the best thing that I have read on the subject. Using Dean's ideas, I "adjust" a players batter run production by the pluses or minuses relating to his defensive play.

I haven't yet tried to mathematically analyze stealing, running, arms, etc. I just try to adjust for that in a very rough kind of way.

I'm very curious about Luckyman's formula, if you can share it. You can email me or the group, if you would prefer not to post it on the boards. But if you don't feel like you want to share it, I'm fine with that.

^^^

The other thing that was really really fascinating about the regression analysis is that it showed how the run production factors changed with different ballparks and different eras!!

The variations in the factors tended to clearly confirm the normal theories about things like walks being more valuable in homerun parks, or teams that hit lots of homeruns.

I will see if I can find the print outs that I had on that. I think I tried to find that website again, and either I couldn't find it, or it was no longer a good URL. If you know where such a website exists today, let me know too. It really is fascinating. I haven't gone back to the site since I first went to it, except to look for it, but I did print out some of the data. I'll see if I can find it.