Drafting Broken

And if players don't want to miss out on their most preferred players, they should definitely avoid live drafts where they could miss out on their 5-10 most preferred players.

It's not JUST missing out on your preferred players. If I miss out on my top 5-10 players, that's fine.
BUT, when another team gets 4 or 5 of my top players and I get none?

In a live draft this could never happen.
In ANY other drafting system on earth this does not happen. But it does here on SOM.

That my friends is a broken drafting system.

End of argument.

And if players don't want to miss out on their most preferred players, they should definitely avoid live drafts where they could miss out on their 5-10 most preferred players.

It's not JUST missing out on your preferred players. If I miss out on my top 5-10 players, that's fine.
BUT, when another team gets 4 or 5 of my top players and I get none?

In a live draft this could never happen.
In ANY other drafting system on earth this does not happen. But it does here on SOM.

That my friends is a broken drafting system.

End of argument.

Please post your request on the wish list thread. Everyone has stated their points
It's time to move on .

And if players don't want to miss out on their most preferred players, they should definitely avoid live drafts where they could miss out on their 5-10 most preferred players.

It's not JUST missing out on your preferred players. If I miss out on my top 5-10 players, that's fine.
BUT, when another team gets 4 or 5 of my top players and I get none?

In a live draft this could never happen.
In ANY other drafting system on earth this does not happen. But it does here on SOM.

That my friends is a broken drafting system.

End of argument.

Please post your request on the wish list thread. Everyone has stated their points
It's time to move on .

Umm no? Who are you?

The draft is broken. Fact.

I don't have any requests or wishes from this place. I gave up on that years ago.
It's obvious the inmates have taken over the asylum.
This place will be run into the ground at some point unless new management takes over. Fact.

I think almost everyone agrees the current system does not have any rhyme, reason or fairness to it. I am definitely in agreement with Geekor and just about everyone else who does not work for SOM. Again, it will probably not keep me from playing the game, but come on, this system just does not make any sense.

Someone wrote,

Extremely weak argument. If you pick last in a live draft you will miss your top 11 choices. But that is much preferably to getting a load of trash like Earl Combs when you requested Willie Mays. Seriously, the problem so many ignore is not that you do not get your desired player. It is that you get a useless player with your first pick of the draft. Come on. Everyone has to realize that is what the detractors of the autodraft are complaining about so why make this kind of silly argument?

I could not agree more....

{I apologize to the forum for editing this post five times...The English teacher in me sometimes wins out. Instead of adding a second post, I decided to meld my final thoughts on the matter with this post, and I wanted this one to be particularly clear, polite, and fair)

F33dM3,

I did not respond to your first post, since it only made personal attacks without addressing my actual arguments.

However, I will respond to your second post, in which you partially addressed my arguments in my post to Valen.

In your initial post, which I post above, you made the following complaint:

"the #3 pick had FOUR of the guys high on my list! how can he get 4 of my top 5 picks and I get NONE!?"

It was implied in this complaint that you were unhappy with missing out on your first four picks in the draft and that a player possibly missing out on his first four picks in the draft was one of the problems you have with the current draft system. Others writing after you actually made that complaint, hoping a new system could at least guarantee everyone got "some top picks." As i pointed out to Valen--yes, I did address his argument in my post--this problem could be even worse in a live draft system, where a player could miss out on his first 5-11 picks. Therefore, if a new drafting system was to fix the problem you implied above (and others actually bemoaned), it would have to do better than providing an autodraft system similar to a live draft...as I pointed out to Valen.

You now, judging from your post above this one, are and were apparently fine with missing your first 5-11 preferred players, However, other players unhappy with the current system would not necessarily be so. They expressed a distinct hope that a new system would make it more likely they got their second or third pick if they missed out on their first pick. For example, in one of his previous posts, Radagast complained about not getting his first two picks. And, in separate posts, Geekor expressed hope that in the new system "everyone would get some high picks" or that "everyone would at least get some of their top picks."

So, while you and others who have posted on this forum all dislike the current system and want a new one, you still need to decide amongst yourselves what you want the new drafting system to actually do. Do you want the system to insure that "everyone would get some high picks,"--as Geekor (and I imagine others) wants--or do you want the system to just be more equitable and not care about such insurance, as you said you didn't care about it in your post above this one.

I sincerely hope you all figure it out in this forum or another. I like the current system, but I would welcome a new one that made most (if not all) of the players happy.

L. Strether

P.s. Thank you for the Richard Dawkins comparison. i consider it a true complement

F 33 D whatever he is also said in another post that he wouldn't be back for at least 5 years.

That was an awfully short 5 years.

In the current system it is possible for one guy to get all 25 picks while another person could get zero in the same draft. That is a flawed system. Indisputable fact.

F 33 D whatever he is also said in another post that he wouldn't be back for at least 5 years.

That was an awfully short 5 years.

Maybe he didn't put "FACT" after that statement?

There is a difference between preferring a live draft to an auto draft vs talking about how to improve the current autodraft. Live drafts can be fun but will never be the default drafting system for SOM online. In any kind of autodraft system you are going to miss players that you had on your AD card. What is the best way to handle that is the question of this thread........I think. No matter what replacements are given instead of your preferred player will not make most people happy about the draft. Strategizing on what palyers to rank where and how to make the best out of what you are given is part of the enjoyment of the game.

The question has been asked many times in this thread and not one person has presented an option that is better than the current system for an auto-drafting that will a) work within a salary cap and b) account for positional needs.

And like Bombers said -

No matter what replacements are given instead of your preferred player will not make most people happy about the draft.