Which is better defensively?

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Which is better defensively?

PostSun Nov 03, 2013 10:25 am

Player A is 2(+1)e4 in both LF and RF
Player B is 2(-4)e5 in LF and 3(-4)e5 in RF

Would it be better to play player B in LF because he is better defensively or in RF because of much better throwing arm but worse defensively?
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostSun Nov 03, 2013 10:48 am

Without stats to back it up, my feeling is that the range is much more valuable than the arm.
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostSun Nov 03, 2013 5:33 pm

LM,

There are the same X chance probabilities for RF or LF, so the range/error factor doesn't matter in that decision. However, there are a few more rolls that let players advance on RF arms versus LF arms, so always put the better arm in RF.

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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostSun Nov 03, 2013 6:19 pm

I don't think you read my question completely. player B is a 2 in LF and a 3 in RF. My question concerns if the 5 difference in the arm for RF (+1 vs -4) makes up for the 3 vs 2 defense?
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostSun Nov 03, 2013 8:07 pm

If it were me I would go with the alignment that gave me the 2 range in LF and RF. I do not think the arm makes enough difference to give up the range.
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostSun Nov 03, 2013 10:01 pm

Valen wrote:If it were me I would go with the alignment that gave me the 2 range in LF and RF. I do not think the arm makes enough difference to give up the range.


It "depends" on the divisional make-up. If your divisional foes are stacked with players with run ratings > 14 - then arm ratings do matter.

I reviewed a handful of recent teams and see where my guys ran all day on the weak armed OFs. On the flip slide, I've had well armed teams that averaged >50 OF assists and my divisional foes had nearly 60% as many advances as my team.
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostTue Nov 05, 2013 12:10 am

Without a doubt, I would play Player A as RF-2(+1)e4 and Player B as LF-2(-4)e5 .
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostTue Nov 05, 2013 1:28 pm

Go for the range over the arm. A quick perusal of the simulated fielding stats of your teams should explain why. I'd much rather have the guy who can catch over the guy who can throw.

Plus, Player B is priced as a 2 range LF, so you are losing some value by playing him in RF.
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostWed Nov 06, 2013 1:54 am

Choice is between
Player A is 2(+1)e4 in LF
Player A is 2(+1)e4 in RF
Player B is 2(-4)e5 in LF
Player B is 3(-4)e5 in RF

giving me
Player A is 2(+1)e4 in LF with Player B is 3(-4)e5 in RF
or
Player B is 2(-4)e5 in LF with Player A is 2(+1)e4 in RF

First option I lose range while gaining arm
Second option I appear to lose arm and gain range in RF and arm in LF

Now logic goes that there are additional additions to arm adjustment in RF but the amount of the adjustment is fixed, not pro-rated and thus the same whether it is applied to a +1 arm or a -4 arm

I suspect the final decision to challenge or not is the final calculation on safe chances and thus influences the frenquency of challenges more than the outcome of challenges. Thus swapping the arms will cause one corner OF to get challenged more often and another less often canceling out in the end. Thus the logic of going with the range which is the only thing certain to be better when all the dust settles.

It is a lot like the percentage of base stealers Pudge will gun down. Most of the time success rate is much higher than real life with fewer runners attempting. It is the reason real life assist leaders do not translate well to strat. The model tries but falls short of producing realism and it is with that weakness in mind I go with the more certain combo that gives me the best range.
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Re: Which is better defensively?

PostWed Nov 06, 2013 7:34 pm

Thanks for the very thought out response Valen and to all who have responded. I picked up a -4 arm for CF too so the -4 in LF and CF will hopefully give pause opposing managers from going too aggressively on the base paths against the +1 arm in RF.

If you would like names to go with these fielding ratings they are actually from the 60s mystery card game: Player A is Frank Robinson and Player B is Rocky Colavito. The CF I picked up is Bobby Bonds.
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