New Prices

[quote="mighty moose"]
And my "hand picked" board have very often made suggestions that made it into the tour lineup for a season.
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BTW- if you go back and read what was written, you should see that initially it wasn't barnstormers that was under attack- until you chimed in-it was the idea that repricing should be based on it.

You do know that you aren't supposed to use your bathroom hand for this, yeah?

And seriously moose- if you have the power to get SoM to start making any of the changes that folks have been vociferously requesting- why not help make it happen?
Doesn't the amount of overall players also help you in the tourney?

ALSO- I give you a ton of credit for not instituting a scavenger hunt for tourney play.

Troll-ly yours

I used to have their ear a lot more when it was TSN. Seems now it takes longer to get back a reply and then we really don't know who we are dealing with. Nothing is ever signed - could be Bernie - could be JohnG - no idea. We ALL know that communications now is almost non-existent. No different with mail I send them. And I send to the same onlinegames e-mail that everyone else uses. I have no specific e-mail address like I used to have Bernies.

I like to see more players in the tourney but I get absolutely nothing for it, so I don't know how it helps me other than a lot of people really do enjoy the experience and let's face it, learn a lot when they go up against some of these managers. I like to see the numbers grow for self satisfaction, nothing else. I bend over backwards to sweet talk people into staying in when they don't have much of a chance. The semi-final round is exactly to keep people playing longer.

Remember Penngray started it, like he did with records - and I just felt it something that we needed to keep around. I'm as surprised as anyone else that it's still kicking. I thought it was dead when we had all those troubles converting from TSN to SOM.

Yes Moose you're razzing about "I quit" was always received in the fun spirit it was intended...Yes much of our dealings have been positive albeit in a very minimal way.

Still, and I'd say this about anyone, anyone, who complains that they don't come to the boards to read certain "stuff," and then complains to management to get posts removed. That they are possibly being heavy handed and closed minded...selfish...imo simply because this "stuff", all this "stuff" is a choice....and truth be told, it takes just second to see if you want to read it, or keep it moving....Complain to get it removed because "YOU" don't like it, or let the community members that were engaged in thread the have their discussion... The fact that SOM so tightly censors these boards and thereby gives you (or anyone) the ability to get certain posts removed, is a very sad, but totally separate issue.

Charlie, JET40-


Can you name one suggestion you have made to SoM regarding how to improve the game or the community?

Just one potentially implementable improvement that either of you have come up with?

Let me know when you come up with just ONE thing either of you have said that COULD be a contribution.

Anything either of you have said that even warrants its own topic of discussion?

I would prefer not to have to be called out to defend myself of being worthy of having done anything for the community but I guess this has made me feel I should respond what I think helping a community is.

As for helping the community, I have always tried to help in any way I could - to teach new players how to improve their games. I spent endless days reviewing players teams and offering suggestions when asked. I was in ATGII one of the most successful small ball players, Nev once asked me how I did it and I sent him my entire strategy for winning with small ball, knowing full well with the number of teams he played that it would make life more challenging for small ball. But I did it anyway as at the time Nev argued strongly on the board (Imagine that) that the game was too inconsistent with pitching to win consistently and my teams were almost totally pitching based. My favorite trophies I own are the pair of bronze baseball shoes that Rob55 won and sent to me after helping him in one of the annual Las Vegas tournament Bobby ran and a Cubs sweatshirt sent to me by Bobby for making the finals of one of his tournaments. I have contacted SOM and had credits and 5 packs for players who were either discouraged with the game or did not have enough funds to play in the game transferred to them.

I offered a $500 donation to your music students as a donation as an offset for an offense you thought I had made on you and the students regarding a team name in a tournament that I questioned your logic as being racist in the hopes this would lessen the offense you felt I caused you. You sent a nice note back letting the subject drop without either accepting or rejecting the offer.

I joined every Good People tournament under Bobby and others he ran as well because he was making donations to worthy causes in the name of the tournament, and the more that joined I think the better Bobby felt and I thought that was at least something I could do. I joined the barnstormers board because Moose asked me to provide help and guidance with the tournament and vote and help guide rule changes. I do the best I am capable ofon the board, if I disagree with a point in the discussions about the tournament I state my case and accept the decisions that are made. If there is/was someone in the tournament I didn't care for I just put that aside and played. As an example I very strongly advised against allowing Petrosian to be added to the board becasue I though he was destructive and would just quickly quit. However, once Moose made the decision that he wanted the best player on the board I agreed to cooperate and work with him, which I thought worked as well as possible. If I am viewed as a negative for the board and I am asked to resign I would do so but quitting is not in my nature, and that is why I have never resigned from the board.

I try and donate to everyone that has a fundraiser and requests funds here on the board that appears legitamate to try and help them out. If a league is having trouble filling and is looking for a player and I can I join the league even if it's not my favorite style because I keep myself open to new ways to approach the game. I have created topics on the boards in the past detailing interesting statistics that occur as a result of the gameplay. This is what my concept of helping the community is.

No, I do not go on the board pointing out flaws and claim with every change that is made that I am helping the community and making the game better. I have at various times stated my dissatisfaction with Petrosian/Last Druid and yourself and Nev, mostly as a result of most of the conversations on the board taking a decidedly negative take on various topics or individuals.

As far as I am concerned the game itself needs little improvement, that this is not a universal position I realize that obviously, others would like a live draft and I understand that, manager ratings others really want, or maybe monthly player addtions, but do they change the game? Not for me, I like the game as it is, a mathematical representation of historical baseball players that are combined by the player in order to win more simulated baseball games than the competition. I am not against most changes either though and if the game changes I will learn to adapt. It is a position I learned from PJ Axelsson after getting so very upset after the dramatic change in effects of small ball pitching teams through pricing in ATGIII.

Any changes i find now are usually advantageous for anyone that studies the games as other players tend to make more mistakes. But really it is just about learning what the new math equations will bring. Some prefer to short cut this process by purchasing Joe the Jet ratings, others by claiming the game is unflair and needs to be changed, but this is a math game based on baseball, not a baseball game displayed by math and I enjoy the solving of the math itself. There will always be mathematical calculations in this game or programming options that can be challenged as wrong but does that improve the game? Maybe for some but for me it just changes the math of the calculations.

[quote="gkhd11a"]

I would prefer not to have to be called out to defend myself of being worthy of having done anything for the community but I guess this has made me feel I should respond what I think helping a community is.

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Don't think we enjoy it much either

I disagree with you on a large number of points here- including what I have learned from your post- which is that you are a calculations/math person and think much in binary if/then terms- you have given the examples yourself, so I wont rehash them- but it does explain why you often don't understand what I'm posting about- and miss the point being made-and maybe I have some fault in not understanding your thought.

Secondly- Just because a bad decision is made, in no way obligates one to accept it; and that does not make us good citizens of SoM to just allow it.

Similarly- and I do remember the discussion about racism very well- including what was written and why there were some issues with what people, not just you were writing-
My personal belief is that if you understood what I was talking about regarding that subject that it was 100 times more important than money- and I still believe that.
A person should donate to causes they think are important, not because they might have offended me- that doesn't mean it wasn't a nice sentiment.

I was in ATGII one of the most successful small ball players, Nev once asked me how I did it and I sent him my entire strategy for winning with small ball, knowing full well with the number of teams he played that it would make life more challenging for small ball. But I did it anyway as at the time Nev argued strongly on the board (Imagine that) that the game was too inconsistent with pitching to win consistently and my teams were almost totally pitching based.

Hmm let's continue here...Yes you've ALWAYS been very helpful when asked, detailed and always willing to share...but for context purposes I wasn't asking "how do you do it" so I could "do it just like you" fact is I used about zero of what you told me and wasn't even looking for such glorious details as much asking to be asking.....that doesn't minimize your generosity, but it does shine a more accurate light on your statement about me.....and I'd put my ball winning pct up against anyone here, ever, while not using anything you apparently think you've taught me....as a matter of fact several times throughout the different versions of ATG you've frustratingly posted about my strategy of cheap starters with a killer three man bullpen and you're inability to beat it...calling me a cyborg (in the nicest way possible) that just plays and wins, and just plays and wins...

and the dots you somehow connect really puzzle me...almost like I'm stumped and complaining about small ball until Charlie helped me? Really? ....What an inaccurate thought process, or perhaps just an intentionally misleading statement since I can show you small ball teams from ATGI that won titles for me....I do believe its the former since you seem to have an extremely overinflated opinion of yourself here...because listing in detail that playing in Bobby's tournament was something you did for the joy of Bobby and therefore the betterment of the community, like it's some kinda notch in your belt...I guess if you didn't join, Bobby would have been depressed, and the tourneys wouldn't have had much interest to the other dozens upon dozens of other managers that entered...all tourneys would have dissipated....No Charlie, no tourneys for anyone..omg really ?

No one since ATGI have I asked for help, with the one exception being Frank Bailey when I was absolutely at my worst (sometime in ATGIII I think) and I asked him about his success in Dunn...Frank unselfishly helped...and while he might have helped with every single detail about his Dunn success, fact is I only asked about starting pitchers in Dunn.

Not wanting to be a troll, bully, or be accused of general douchebaggery......
But....Nev, you botched the quoting in the above post. It seems to quote Salty, and the quote is actually of gkhd....

As this thread goes into another few weeks, it could get re-quoted, and propagate the error.

Thanks...I don't know why but I'll try and fix it.

at the time Nev argued strongly on the board (Imagine that) that the game was too inconsistent with pitching to win consistently and my teams were almost totally pitching based.

And again to clarify something Charlie said...I, along with many, felt that in the switch from ATG to ATGII the new pricing priced "small ball type players" too expensive. Not that I, Charlie or any of us couldn't win with pitching type teams....Charlie you've really got so much misconstrued.

Interesting thread...it's kept me entertained. There are actually some good suggestions here thrown in the middle of all the mudslinging. All i'll say is its good to see some resistance for a change to a certain someone I won't mention who tends to think he's the end all of the SOM forums. Its refreshing to see others such a Moose, Salty, Nev, bruceF, and gkh involved in such honest...and public displays of their feelings here.


One thing that confused me was this post by Nev as I would think the total opposite to be true....I love to beat people I don't like....makes it that much more fun for me...

What of course is stopping Nev, Salty and the Last Druid from running their own tournament?

I can't speak for Last Druid or Salty, as apparently you can...but for me, I don't want to be committed to "have to play" in leagues with people I don't like.