Would this change make ATG 8 the best yet?

Not sure I quite understand your first paragraph...What's wrong with a card that encompasses what a player has done over the course of his career? I can guarantee you that there wouldn't be a "Cesar Cedeno" on the first page of players sorted by salary. Who would be there a truly the best players to have played the game. I'm not against the individual season cards, but I am interested in an alternative at this point that doesn't include players who really aren't ATG players.

How would you define "average"? Like baseball-reference.com's 162-game average? How then to determine injury possibilities? Rarely does anyone ever hit or pitch to their "average". In essence, what you would create is "another year", but a year that never existed.

ATG as you probably know started off as "All Time Great" teams that resemble all teams (a combination of stars and scrubs), giving us players that you would like to see assigned to the dustbin of baseball history or at least of ATG. ATG has come to include individual players rather than team rosters, perhaps a mistake because the same scrubs appear again and again on people's teams. I would argue for more new scrubs, mixed in with some different seasons for stars.

Why shouldn't Cesar Cedeno be on the first page? His 72 year was a thing of beauty as was 73. Shouldn't that be rewarded rather than a hypothetical year? To take Cedeno's case, a 162-game average would mean that he would relatively injury-free, which was far from the case in his career: he had a the fragility of a thoroughbred and the beauty of one, too. That should be there, I would argue by bringing in the 1973 card with almost the same slashline but with the spectre of injury.

I probably won't convince you, but as I said in all respect count me out.

Bill

You're right....you won't convince me, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion and I appreciate the dialogue. But yes, that's exactly how I would define the average. I would argue its a truer reflection of a player's career than any 1 specific season.

Again, I don't have a problem with the single season sets, this would be an alternative to a saturated game. I have no problem with Cedeno being on the first page with the cards set up the way they are now. What I was saying is he wouldn't be there on the career version and some players, like myself, would find that more realistic in playing with true all time greats. I'm not suggesting getting rid of ATG 7 as your making it sound, simply asking for a new variation in what we've been playing that could possibly generate new life into the game.

Injuries could simply be handled as all other stats would be, by averaging out games missed over a players career. Also a better reflection of a player's durability than any single season would be. So Cedeno's card would be far from injury free as you say. It would be right in line with his career averages just like every other stat would be.

"Platoon Priority" would make ATG8 the best ever, for me.

A pair of boxes where we can pick J Alou and Covington (for example, at a low cap) and check Covington as the priority. Alou never sees a RH pitcher unless Covington is on the DL. You end up taking your chances that Covington will face lefties, but this at least gets half of a rational pinch hitting done in a platoon, and shouldn't be impossible to code.

Maybe 6 platoon pairs, but I'd settle for 4. I'd even be happy with 2.

I like that idea. Although this can and should be done along with many other things without counting it as a "ATG 8". This can all be added to the current game as is. I am specifically talking about the cards in this thread.

They already sell the card set with players rated by their career averages - it's called the Career Historical Disk. It's pretty boring.

We sorta had that in Fanta-sim...

instead of more cards or a what ever is next for ATG8...

How bout some game improvements?

If I'm up, or down a run, at any point in the game, I don't care what my settings are, how bout we not steal home with a B runner...

OR

How bout, if X pitcher had 400+ IP, make him a ** that he can pitch on two "days" rest.

OR

How bout Murray doesn't get 200+ IP (ie, lets do away with the R4 andR5s)

OR

SOM has spent 50 years making sure the hitters, hit their card, which, was suppose to best represent what happened in real life, any given year. But yet, has failed miserably to even come close for a pitcher to pitch their card.

Just rambling now.

:lol: We sorta had that in Fanta-sim...

instead of more cards or a what ever is next for ATG8...

How bout some game improvements?

If I'm up, or down a run, at any point in the game, I don't care what my settings are, how bout we not steal home with a B runner...

OR

How bout, if X pitcher had 400+ IP, make him a ** that he can pitch on two "days" rest.

OR

How bout Murray doesn't get 200+ IP (ie, lets do away with the R4 andR5s)

OR

SOM has spent 50 years making sure the hitters, hit their card, which, was suppose to best represent what happened in real life, any given year. But yet, has failed miserably to even come close for a pitcher to pitch their card.

Just rambling now.

I totally agree with that last line for sure! Why can't pitchers pitch their card? I guess most people prefer offense , but I'm a pitching guy that has had to "adapt" to the ways of Strat

Well this thread is going down the wrong direction.....but fantasim? This wouldn't be close to that....boy did I hate that game!

There is a site called Diamond Mind where the players are based more on there lifetime stats. Scoring is low because the better players are priced so high, Ruth was like 30 million. The site did have individual game settings which I liked and earned extra money throughout the season which increased your ability to manage. I prefer Stratomatic but Diamond Mind is an excellent site with a large fan base.

Just to throw out some clarification, the SOM HOF disk uses an average of each player's 7 best years, not career averages.