NSKL Main Thread

Hello Everyone,

I'm currently on VaK in Europe but obviously have checked in on the site because we're between seasons & wanted to make sure I was keeping up with what's going on with the SUP draft. I looked at the stadium deals that were just completed & feel what just happened was a 'creative way' of circumventing the three year requirement & the stadium rule in general by trading stadiums, dropping stadiums & trading stadiums again among the same two teams. After acquiring the stadium in a trade I don't think you can go ahead & drop the stadium you just acquired because the 3 year clock started once the stadium was acquired. Therefore once the 3 year clock started or was reset after acquiring the new stadium that stadium stays with that team for 3 years or until traded but can't be acquired & subsequently dropped to pick up a new stadium. Not to mention that the stadium that was picked up then gets traded back to the same team that just made the previous stadium trade. Looks like a maneuver to get the team a stadium they wanted to get in the first place because they couldn't drop their own stadium since they were still on the 3 year clock. Needless to say I have my objections as to what just happened & think we as a league should look into this rule very closely & possibly have the rule reworded, buttoned up & a proposal brought to the league for a vote. I think 3 years should mean 3 years (6 seasons) & once the 3 years are up you can either drop or trade the stadium but not be able to trade the stadium 'during' the 3 years. Maybe we could look into shortening it up to 2 years (4 seasons) instead of 3 years (6 seasons) if everyone feels this is too long without being able to make an adjustment. Don't get me wrong because I believe in being able to do things to help our teams. Everyone just take a minute to look at the most recent stadium trades & weigh in on it when you get a moment & maybe we can open up this discussion further when I return over the weekend.
What just happened looks like getting around the spirit of why the rule was created in the first place.


Thanx,

Richard Piergrossi

Hoboken Athletics

Hello Everyone,

I'm currently on VaK in Europe but obviously have checked in on the site because we're between seasons & make sure I'm keeping up with what's going on with the SUP draft. I've specifically looked at the stadium deals & feel what has just happened was a 'creative way' of circumventing the three year requirement by trading stadiums, dropping stadiums & trading stadiums again among the same two teams. After acquiring the stadium in a trade I don't think you can go ahead & drop the stadium you just acquired because the 3 year clock started once the stadium was acquired. Therefore once the 3 year clock started or was reset after acquiring the new stadium that stadium stays with that team for 3 years or until traded but can't be acquired & subsequently dropped to pick up a new stadium. Not to mention that the stadium that was picked up then gets traded back to the same team that just made the previous stadium trade. Looks like a maneuver to get the team a stadium they wanted to get in the first place because they couldn't drop their own stadium since they were still on the 3 year clock. Needless to say I have my objections as to what just happened & think we as a league should look into this rule very closely & possibly have the rule reworded, buttoned up & a proposal brought to the league for a vote. I think 3 years should mean 3 years (6 seasons) & once the 3 years are up you can either drop or trade the stadium but not be able to trade the stadium 'during' the 3 years. Maybe we could look into shortening it up to 2 years (4 seasons) instead of 3 years (6 seasons) if everyone feels this is too long without being able to make an adjustment. Don't get me wrong because I believe in being able to do things to help our teams. Everyone just take a minute to look at the most recent stadium trades & weigh in on it when you get a moment & maybe we can open up this discussion further when I return over the weekend.
What just happened looks like getting around the spirit of why the rule was created in the first place.


Thanx,

Richard Piergrossi

Hoboken Athletics

Hi Rick,

As the engineer of this series of deals, I want you to know that I thought hard about how it would play out. I considered that the rules allow an owner to trade ballparks at anytime without any time limitations, and I obviously decided to take advantage of that element in the rules to acquire a new park. Beforehand, as I looked to simply trade ballparks, it became clear talking to owners that a straight trade was unlikely to occur and that I would have to get "creative." Once it became clear that I would have to pay a significant premium in a straight trade by including a major player as well, I asked around to see if anyone would accept a lesser return to effectively trade away their rights for another three years. It was a more limited pool as I eliminated season 2 competitors outright and also could only trade with those who still retained their new ballpark rights. While that is what it was effectively, I will defend the fact that each part of the deal is allowed under the rules. At the end of the day, I did think it was a creative solution to my problem, but it also would benefit any other owner who has no intention of picking a new park in the next three years as he would acquire (as it turned out) 2 6th round picks in the deal. About that, I obviously just took the best deal I could get (and it was not an easy sell).

I would also like to say that I do see how this could be seen as a circumvention of the spirit of the rules. That said, as I was not around when the rules were written, I perhaps don't see the spirit the same way, and that's all I can say in my defense regarding that. I was not trying to circumvent anything. I felt that the ability to trade draft picks expresses a spirit in which trading ballpark rights is also allowed. While it's not expressly stated in the rules, the trade/pickup/trade isn't prohibited, but I didn't intend to work around the rules. I have the rules in front of me, and I assume they were designed to reflect their spirit. I value being a part of this league and our competition in particular. I am sorry that this solution to my problem has created a problem for you and any other owners.

Again, I hope this series of trades doesn't hurt our strat friendship.

Best - Peter

Bumble Bees trade

3rd Rd 2015 Prospect Pick and 7th Rd 2015 FA Pick

To Gmen

For Mariano Rivera

Steve to confirm.

Rick,

I agree, I thought people might potentially find our trade questionable, but look at it this way:

I give up my ability to drop my park for the next three years, which has some value to me, and in return get an upgrade to some draft picks. Peter gets a new park before he'd be able to on his own, and gives up some pick value. It's not free for us to do what we did, there is a cost involved for each.

Like Peter, I'm not trying to circumvent rules and upset people. I do not think it violates even the spirit of the laws, or else I wouldn't have done it. If people think you should not be able to trade a park for 3 years after you acquire it, that is a different spirit than I take from the rule. Reading it in this manner would negate other trades we've had in the past (like sign and trades for a new owner, since the new owner would have to stay in the new park for 3 years before trading it). It certainly violates no letter of the law, as, had I not wanted The Cell back, our deal would be unarguably fine based on current rules. If the rest of the league is upset by it, I don't mind undoing the trade, though, so please, feel free to weigh in.

As for the draft, sorry, guys, but I've been crazy busy here. I'm leaving for Las Vegas tomorrow, and will get the spreadsheet updated before then. Let's have drops due on Monday, June 9th at midnight ET. That way, we can start the supplemental draft Wednesday, June 11th, and hopefully finish that Friday. I will also post the divisional assignments and we can start loading the league next week, too.

Ted

4) Supplemental Free Agent drafts are non-sepentine; Supplemental Free Agent draft order is the reverse of the previous season's regular season record. The roster sheet is up to date, prior to the aforementioned controversial trade, let me know of any mistakes. Peter will need to cut 2 players immediately, due to balanced trades (I haven't done the Mo trade yet, but that's one of them).

Bumble Bees trade

3rd Rd 2015 Prospect Pick and 7th Rd 2015 FA Pick

To Gmen

For Mariano Rivera

Steve to confirm. GMEN CONFIRM THIS TRADE

Sorry! Didn't know I had been over by one. I drop Josh Johnson and Ernesto Frieri.

Gashouse Gorillas drop:

B. Morrow
J. Maxwell

Hoboken trade with NewRays

Hoboken Athletics trade their 2015 4th rd FA pick to NewRays

for

OF-Franklin Gutierrez

***NOTE***
Hoboken will cut one extra off their roster (4 instead of 3) prior to SUP draft.
Ray to confirm.

Thanx,

Rick P

Hoboken

BUMBLE Bees(Peter Douglas) trade

8rd Rd 2015 Prospect Pick

To Gmen

For Eric Stults (SP San Diego)

Peter to confirm.