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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 12:28 pm

Pitchers - A, C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, U, V, W, Y, Z
Hitters - A, B, D, F, G, I, K, P, Q, R, S, T, V

Keepers by owner - * Lost Player by 'Steal'
*ModMark - R.Hornsby, H.Greenberg, E.Walsh, J.DiMaggio, I. Suzuki, V. Gregg, K. Rogers.
*JoeOC - H.Wilson, H.Duffy, J.Cronin, T.F.Brown, Shea'64, E.Rixey, J.Kaat, G.Beaumont,
*13 Baseballs - W McGee, B.Myer, D.Murray, B.Hamilton, C.Hubbell, L.Leal, J.Wilson
*BunzeO - T.Cobb, G.Sisler, H.Aaron, E Mathews, C.Lee, S.Carlton, L.Tiant, Dunn Field 20,
*madmike66 - A.Simmons, G.Brett, H.Wilhelm, E.Stanky, H.Ehmke, B.Hadley, H.Heilmann
*Palanion - M.Mantle, T. Williams, D. Allen, O.Hershiser, L.Whitaker, J.Pfiester, J.Sambito
*hackra - W.Johnson, Ba.Bonds, T.Stearnes, D.Walling, D.McMahon, W. McCovey, M.Clear
*Mr.BBW - J.Gibson, H.Wagner, G. Maddux, J.Wood, M.Williams, S.J.Williams,J.Beckwith,
Honeyman - M.McGwire, W.Mays, S.Sosa, B. Gibson
*Tim Orz -P.Alexander, S.McDowell, R.Kiner, B.Tincup, J.Wynn, E.Banks, M.Wolfgang
*thaibill - B.Ruth, S.Musial, K.Griffey Jr., A.Brazle, L.Sherry, B.Shirley
*Munich_Man - P.Martinez, B.Adams, L.Appling, J.Robinson, R.Bresnahan, S.Jones, W.Schmidt.

BunzeO moving to Dunn Field '20 (16-6-10-1)
Joeoc moving to Shea'64 (8-8-4-13)
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-Keepers by position (alphabetical order)
SP - B.Adams, P.Alexander, T.F.Brown, S. Carlton, H.Ehmke, B. Gibson, V. Gregg, B.Hadley, O.Hershiser, C.Hubbell, W.Johnson, Slim Jones, J.Kaat, L.Leal, C Lee, G.Maddux, P.Martinez, S.McDowell, J.Pfiester, E.Rixey, W.Schmidt, L. Tiant, E.Walsh, J. Woods,
RP - A.Brazle, M. Clear, D. McMahon, D Murray, K. Rogers, J.Sambito, L.Sherry, B.Shirley, B.Tincup, H.Wilhelm, M. Wolfgang
OF - H.Aaron, G.Beaumont, Barry Bonds, T.Cobb, J. Dimaggio, H.Duffy, Ken Griffey Jr., B.Hamilton, H.Heilmann, R.Kiner, M.Mantle, W Mays,W McGee, S.Musial, B.Ruth, T.Stearnes, A.Simmons, S.Sosa, I. Suzuki, T. Williams, H.Wilson, J. Wynn,
C - Bresnahan, J.Gibson,
1B - D. Allen, J.Beckwith, H.Greenberg, W. McCovey, M McGwire, G.Sisler, J.Wilson
2B - R.Hornsby, B.Myer. J.Robinson, E.Stanky, L.Whitaker,
3B - G.Brett, E.Mathews, D.Walling, M.Williams,
SS - L.Appling, E.Banks, J.Cronin, H.Wagner,

Steal Round: --------(Record)
1. ModMark -------- (64-98) - J.DiMaggio, CF (from Mr. BBW)
2. Joeoc ------------ (65-97) - T.F.Brown, SP (from Palanion)
3.13BaseBalls -------(71-91) - B.Hamilton, OF (from Bunze)
4. bunzeO -----------(76-86) - E.Mathews, 3b (from 13 Baseballs)
5. madmike66-------(78-84) - E.Stanky, 2B (from TimOrz)
6. Palanion ----------(83-79) - O.Hershiser, SP (from Modmark)
7. hackra ------------(86-76) - D.Walling, 3B (from Joeoc)
8. Mr BBW -----------(87-75) - J. Wood, SP (from Hackra)
9. Honeyman --------(87-75) - B. Gibson, SP (from thaiBill)
10. Timorz -----------(91-71) - B. Tincup, RP (from Herr Munich Mann)
11. Munich_Man -----(93-69) - Willard Schmidt, SP (from angrymichael)
12. thaiBill - Champ!-------- - ??? (from Honeyman!)

still need second set of keepers from Mr BBW--needs one more
diamond dope draft is ready for whenever all the keepers have been named.
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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 2:29 pm

John Beckwith is my last keeper.
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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 4:31 pm

Pitchers - A, C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, U, V, W, Y, Z
Hitters - A, B, D, F, G, I, K, P, Q, R, S, T, V

Keepers by owner - * Lost Player by 'Steal'
*ModMark - R.Hornsby, H.Greenberg, E.Walsh, J.DiMaggio, I. Suzuki, V. Gregg, K. Rogers.
*JoeOC - H.Wilson, H.Duffy, J.Cronin, T.F.Brown, Shea'64, E.Rixey, J.Kaat, G.Beaumont,
*13 Baseballs - W McGee, B.Myer, D.Murray, B.Hamilton, C.Hubbell, L.Leal, J.Wilson
*BunzeO - T.Cobb, G.Sisler, H.Aaron, E Mathews, C.Lee, S.Carlton, L.Tiant, Dunn Field 20,
*madmike66 - A.Simmons, G.Brett, H.Wilhelm, E.Stanky, H.Ehmke, B.Hadley, H.Heilmann
*Palanion - M.Mantle, T. Williams, D. Allen, O.Hershiser, L.Whitaker, J.Pfiester, J.Sambito
*hackra - W.Johnson, Ba.Bonds, T.Stearnes, D.Walling, D.McMahon, W. McCovey, M.Clear
*Mr.BBW - J.Gibson, H.Wagner, G. Maddux, J.Wood, M.Williams, S.J.Williams,J.Beckwith,
Honeyman - M.McGwire, W.Mays, S.Sosa, B. Gibson
*Tim Orz -P.Alexander, S.McDowell, R.Kiner, B.Tincup, J.Wynn, E.Banks, M.Wolfgang
*thaibill - B.Ruth, S.Musial, K.Griffey Jr., A.Brazle, L.Sherry, B.Shirley
*Munich_Man - P.Martinez, B.Adams, L.Appling, J.Robinson, R.Bresnahan, S.Jones, W.Schmidt.

BunzeO moving to Dunn Field '20 (16-6-10-1)
Joeoc moving to Shea'64 (8-8-4-13)
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-Keepers by position (alphabetical order)
SP - B.Adams, P.Alexander, T.F.Brown, S. Carlton, H.Ehmke, B. Gibson, V. Gregg, B.Hadley, O.Hershiser, C.Hubbell, W.Johnson, Slim Jones, J.Kaat, L.Leal, C Lee, G.Maddux, P.Martinez, S.McDowell, J.Pfiester, E.Rixey, W.Schmidt, L. Tiant, E.Walsh, J. Woods,
RP - A.Brazle, M. Clear, D. McMahon, D Murray, K. Rogers, J.Sambito, L.Sherry, B.Shirley, B.Tincup, H.Wilhelm, M. Wolfgang
OF - H.Aaron, G.Beaumont, Barry Bonds, T.Cobb, J. Dimaggio, H.Duffy, Ken Griffey Jr., B.Hamilton, H.Heilmann, R.Kiner, M.Mantle, W Mays,W McGee, S.Musial, B.Ruth, T.Stearnes, A.Simmons, S.Sosa, I. Suzuki, T. Williams, H.Wilson, J. Wynn,
C - Bresnahan, J.Gibson,
1B - D. Allen, J.Beckwith, H.Greenberg, W. McCovey, M McGwire, G.Sisler, J.Wilson
2B - R.Hornsby, B.Myer. J.Robinson, E.Stanky, L.Whitaker,
3B - G.Brett, E.Mathews, D.Walling, M.Williams,
SS - L.Appling, E.Banks, J.Cronin, H.Wagner,

Steal Round: --------(Record)
1. ModMark -------- (64-98) - J.DiMaggio, CF (from Mr. BBW)
2. Joeoc ------------ (65-97) - T.F.Brown, SP (from Palanion)
3.13BaseBalls -------(71-91) - B.Hamilton, OF (from Bunze)
4. bunzeO -----------(76-86) - E.Mathews, 3b (from 13 Baseballs)
5. madmike66-------(78-84) - E.Stanky, 2B (from TimOrz)
6. Palanion ----------(83-79) - O.Hershiser, SP (from Modmark)
7. hackra ------------(86-76) - D.Walling, 3B (from Joeoc)
8. Mr BBW -----------(87-75) - J. Wood, SP (from Hackra)
9. Honeyman --------(87-75) - B. Gibson, SP (from thaiBill)
10. Timorz -----------(91-71) - B. Tincup, RP (from Herr Munich Mann)
11. Munich_Man -----(93-69) - Willard Schmidt, SP (from angrymichael)
12. thaiBill - Champ!-------- - ??? (from Honeyman!)

still need thaibill's steal pick and Honeyman's 2nd set of keepers after steal
diamond dope draft is ready for whenever all the keepers have been named.
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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 8:13 pm

Pitchers - A, C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, U, V, W, Y, Z
Hitters - A, B, D, F, G, I, K, P, Q, R, S, T, V

Keepers by owner - * Lost Player by 'Steal'
*ModMark - R.Hornsby, H.Greenberg, E.Walsh, J.DiMaggio, I. Suzuki, V. Gregg, K. Rogers.
*JoeOC - H.Wilson, H.Duffy, J.Cronin, T.F.Brown, Shea'64, E.Rixey, J.Kaat, G.Beaumont,
*13 Baseballs - W McGee, B.Myer, D.Murray, B.Hamilton, C.Hubbell, L.Leal, J.Wilson
*BunzeO - T.Cobb, G.Sisler, H.Aaron, E Mathews, C.Lee, S.Carlton, L.Tiant, Dunn Field 20,
*madmike66 - A.Simmons, G.Brett, H.Wilhelm, E.Stanky, H.Ehmke, B.Hadley, H.Heilmann
*Palanion - M.Mantle, T. Williams, D. Allen, O.Hershiser, L.Whitaker, J.Pfiester, J.Sambito
*hackra - W.Johnson, Ba.Bonds, T.Stearnes, D.Walling, D.McMahon, W. McCovey, M.Clear
*Mr.BBW - J.Gibson, H.Wagner, G. Maddux, J.Wood, M.Williams, S.J.Williams,J.Beckwith,
Honeyman - M.McGwire, W.Mays, S.Sosa, B. Gibson
*Tim Orz -P.Alexander, S.McDowell, R.Kiner, B.Tincup, J.Wynn, E.Banks, M.Wolfgang
*thaibill - B.Ruth, S.Musial, K.Griffey Jr., A.Brazle, L.Sherry, B.Shirley, T. Fernandez
*Munich_Man - P.Martinez, B.Adams, L.Appling, J.Robinson, R.Bresnahan, S.Jones, W.Schmidt.

BunzeO moving to Dunn Field '20 (16-6-10-1)
Joeoc moving to Shea'64 (8-8-4-13)
-
-Keepers by position (alphabetical order)
SP - B.Adams, P.Alexander, T.F.Brown, S. Carlton, H.Ehmke, B. Gibson, V. Gregg, B.Hadley, O.Hershiser, C.Hubbell, W.Johnson, Slim Jones, J.Kaat, L.Leal, C Lee, G.Maddux, P.Martinez, S.McDowell, J.Pfiester, E.Rixey, W.Schmidt, L. Tiant, E.Walsh, J. Woods,
RP - A.Brazle, M. Clear, D. McMahon, D Murray, K. Rogers, J.Sambito, L.Sherry, B.Shirley, B.Tincup, H.Wilhelm, M. Wolfgang
OF - H.Aaron, G.Beaumont, Barry Bonds, T.Cobb, J. Dimaggio, H.Duffy, Ken Griffey Jr., B.Hamilton, H.Heilmann, R.Kiner, M.Mantle, W Mays,W McGee, S.Musial, B.Ruth, T.Stearnes, A.Simmons, S.Sosa, I. Suzuki, T. Williams, H.Wilson, J. Wynn,
C - Bresnahan, J.Gibson,
1B - D. Allen, J.Beckwith, H.Greenberg, W. McCovey, M McGwire, G.Sisler, J.Wilson
2B - R.Hornsby, B.Myer. J.Robinson, E.Stanky, L.Whitaker,
3B - G.Brett, E.Mathews, D.Walling, M.Williams,
SS - L.Appling, E.Banks, J.Cronin, T. Fernandez, H.Wagner,

Steal Round: --------(Record)
1. ModMark -------- (64-98) - J.DiMaggio, CF (from Mr. BBW)
2. Joeoc ------------ (65-97) - T.F.Brown, SP (from Palanion)
3.13BaseBalls -------(71-91) - B.Hamilton, OF (from Bunze)
4. bunzeO -----------(76-86) - E.Mathews, 3b (from 13 Baseballs)
5. madmike66-------(78-84) - E.Stanky, 2B (from TimOrz)
6. Palanion ----------(83-79) - O.Hershiser, SP (from Modmark)
7. hackra ------------(86-76) - D.Walling, 3B (from Joeoc)
8. Mr BBW -----------(87-75) - J. Wood, SP (from Hackra)
9. Honeyman --------(87-75) - B. Gibson, SP (from thaiBill)
10. Timorz -----------(91-71) - B. Tincup, RP (from Herr Munich Mann)
11. Munich_Man -----(93-69) - Willard Schmidt, SP (from angrymichael)
12. thaiBill - Champ!-------- - T. Fernandez, SS (from Honeyman!)
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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 8:23 pm

Pitchers - A, C, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, N, O, P, Q, R, S, U, V, W, Y, Z
Hitters - A, B, D, F, G, I, K, P, Q, R, S, T, V

Keepers by owner - * Lost Player by 'Steal'
*ModMark - R.Hornsby, H.Greenberg, E.Walsh, J.DiMaggio, I. Suzuki, V. Gregg, K. Rogers.
*JoeOC - H.Wilson, H.Duffy, J.Cronin, T.F.Brown, Shea'64, E.Rixey, J.Kaat, G.Beaumont,
*13 Baseballs - W McGee, B.Myer, D.Murray, B.Hamilton, C.Hubbell, L.Leal, J.Wilson
*BunzeO - T.Cobb, G.Sisler, H.Aaron, E Mathews, C.Lee, S.Carlton, L.Tiant, Dunn Field 20,
*madmike66 - A.Simmons, G.Brett, H.Wilhelm, E.Stanky, H.Ehmke, B.Hadley, H.Heilmann
*Palanion - M.Mantle, T. Williams, D. Allen, O.Hershiser, L.Whitaker, J.Pfiester, J.Sambito
*hackra - W.Johnson, Ba.Bonds, T.Stearnes, D.Walling, D.McMahon, W. McCovey, M.Clear
*Mr.BBW - J.Gibson, H.Wagner, G. Maddux, J.Wood, M.Williams, S.J.Williams,J.Beckwith,
*Honeyman - M.McGwire, W.Mays, S.Sosa, B. Gibson, T. Lincicum, M. Prior, R. Dibble
*Tim Orz -P.Alexander, S.McDowell, R.Kiner, B.Tincup, J.Wynn, E.Banks, M.Wolfgang
*thaibill - B.Ruth, S.Musial, K.Griffey Jr., A.Brazle, L.Sherry, B.Shirley, T. Fernandez
*Munich_Man - P.Martinez, B.Adams, L.Appling, J.Robinson, R.Bresnahan, S.Jones, W.Schmidt.

BunzeO moving to Dunn Field '20 (16-6-10-1)
Joeoc moving to Shea'64 (8-8-4-13)
-
-Keepers by position (alphabetical order)
SP - B.Adams, P.Alexander, T.F.Brown, S. Carlton, H.Ehmke, B. Gibson, V. Gregg, B.Hadley, O.Hershiser, C.Hubbell, W.Johnson, Slim Jones, J.Kaat, L.Leal, C Lee, T. Lincicum, G.Maddux, P.Martinez, S.McDowell, J.Pfiester, M. Prior, E.Rixey, W.Schmidt, L. Tiant, E.Walsh, J. Woods,
RP - A.Brazle, M. Clear, R. Dibble, D. McMahon, D Murray, K. Rogers, J.Sambito, L.Sherry, B.Shirley, B.Tincup, H.Wilhelm, M. Wolfgang
OF - H.Aaron, G.Beaumont, Barry Bonds, T.Cobb, J. Dimaggio, H.Duffy, Ken Griffey Jr., B.Hamilton, H.Heilmann, R.Kiner, M.Mantle, W Mays,W McGee, S.Musial, B.Ruth, T.Stearnes, A.Simmons, S.Sosa, I. Suzuki, T. Williams, H.Wilson, J. Wynn,
C - Bresnahan, J.Gibson,
1B - D. Allen, J.Beckwith, H.Greenberg, W. McCovey, M McGwire, G.Sisler, J.Wilson
2B - R.Hornsby, B.Myer. J.Robinson, E.Stanky, L.Whitaker,
3B - G.Brett, E.Mathews, D.Walling, M.Williams,
SS - L.Appling, E.Banks, J.Cronin, T. Fernandez, H.Wagner,

Steal Round: --------(Record)
1. ModMark -------- (64-98) - J.DiMaggio, CF (from Mr. BBW)
2. Joeoc ------------ (65-97) - T.F.Brown, SP (from Palanion)
3.13BaseBalls -------(71-91) - B.Hamilton, OF (from Bunze)
4. bunzeO -----------(76-86) - E.Mathews, 3b (from 13 Baseballs)
5. madmike66-------(78-84) - E.Stanky, 2B (from TimOrz)
6. Palanion ----------(83-79) - O.Hershiser, SP (from Modmark)
7. hackra ------------(86-76) - D.Walling, 3B (from Joeoc)
8. Mr BBW -----------(87-75) - J. Wood, SP (from Hackra)
9. Honeyman --------(87-75) - B. Gibson, SP (from thaiBill)
10. Timorz -----------(91-71) - B. Tincup, RP (from Herr Munich Mann)
11. Munich_Man -----(93-69) - Willard Schmidt, SP (from angrymichael)
12. thaiBill - Champ!-------- - T. Fernandez, SS (from Honeyman!)

Congratulations, Bill, on your first SBDL ring! Let the draft begin. Whoops, it already has. Draft underway on Diamond Dope draft site.
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Re: Newest Member to SBDL Hall of Champions

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 8:48 pm

joeoc wrote:SBDL Champion Manager
1. Tim Orz Tim Orz
2.Tomwistar Tomwistar
3.Munich_Man Munich_Man
4.Frank.Bailey Fr.Bailey
5.Munich_Man Munich_Man
6.ModMark46 ModMark46
7.Wieder Sieger Munich_Man 95-67
8.3 River Ringers ModMark46 85-77
9. Nicht gleich Best Munich_Man 95-67
10.Schmoes X Tomwistar 91-71
11.Junior Furball73 13BBalls 87-75
12.Sierra Maraudios Gary Garcia 80-82
13.FenwayFreedom ModMark46 82-80
14.Triple Lindy's 2 Tomwistar 90-72
15 T. Prairie Ghosts Joeoc 97-65
16.Seattle Stolen Dr.Biocide 87-75
17.St.Andrew StkNuns Honeyman 97-65
18.Funnel Cakes BunzeO 91-71
19.W.War Hammers ModMark46 100-62
20.W.War Hammers ModMark46 97-65
21.T. Prairie Ghosts Joeoc 87-75
22.Junior Furball 363 13BBalls 93-69
23.Sav Being Dacelo hackra 96-66
24.Red Sovines Tomwistar 89-73
25.Docs Ichi Mudcats hackra 92-70
26.Milwaukee Bears Mr BBW 95-67
27.S Buffalo Dunn Lib hackra 92-70
28.Vaneville Wineguz madmike66 88-74
29.S.Buffalo Dunn Lib hackra 93-69
30. Munich Sechs M Munich_Man 90-72
31.T.Priaire Ghosts Joeoc 89-73
32.Pattaya Scorpions thaibill 91-71
33


I believe that makes Bill the 15th different champion in 32 seasons, and the first ever SBDL champ whose first name is Bill even though at least one Bill has been in the league every season.

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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

PostWed Jun 11, 2014 9:24 pm

Honeyman trades Phil Regan, 2nd and 6th round draft picks to Bunze0 for Eddie Mathews.
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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostThu Jun 12, 2014 9:38 am

Cut and pasted from Diamond Dope -

Round: 1
1. modmark47 (1) Richard, J.r. R S8* $8.21M 6/11 02:32:35
2. JOEOC (2) Torre, Joe R 3b-3e26 $7.70M 6/11 16:36:18
3. 13Baseballs (3) Piazza, Mike R c-4(+1)e6 $9.93M 6/11 18:37:30
4. bunze0 (4) Vaughan, Arky L ss-2e27 $10.20M 6/11 19:52:49
5. madmike66 (5) Delahanty, Ed R lf-1(-3)e9 $8.79M 6/11 20:21:43
6. Palanion (6) Parker, Dave L rf-2(-3)e10 $6.19M 6/11 20:59:44
7. hackra (7) Schoendienst, Red S 2b-1e13 $4.27M 6/11 20:59:44
8. Mr. Baseball World (8) Robinson, Frank R rf-2(+1)e5 $4.46M 6/11 20:59:44
9. Honeyman (9) Regan, Phil R R3 $4.93M 6/11 20:59:44
10. TimOrz (10)
11. Munich_Man (11)
12. thaibill (12)


Tim Orz, you are up to draft.

I have gone ahead and made everyone administrators for the draft so that anny issues can be handled in a timely manner.

With the trade between Honeyman and Bunze0, Honeyman will need to enter Bunze0's picks in Honeman's 2nd and 6th rounds. (so Andrew, please be careful not to trigger the wrong proxies).

Everyone else may pre-enter proxies (which makes the draft progress quickly).

draft clock will be turned ON during the day.

For what it's worth, I will be on the road all day (driving to Detroit to see my son)....but will check to see how we have progressed when I stop if I can.
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Re: SBDL Discussion

PostThu Jun 12, 2014 10:21 am

What is the user name and password for Diamond Dope?

I would like Rico Petrocelli.

Never mind about the password.
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For Review Only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PostThu Jun 12, 2014 11:18 am

Review Only, Draft on diamonddope.com

Round: 1
1. modmark47 (1) Richard, J.r. R S8* $8.21M
2. JOEOC (2) Torre, Joe R 3b-3e26 $7.70M
3. 13Baseballs (3) Piazza, Mike R c-4(+1)e6 $9.93M
4. bunze0 (4) Vaughan, Arky L ss-2e27 $10.20M
5. madmike66 (5) Delahanty, Ed R lf-1(-3)e9 $8.79M
6. Palanion (6) Parker, Dave L rf-2(-3)e10 $6.19M
7. hackra (7) Schoendienst, Red S 2b-1e13 $4.27M
8. Mr. BBW(8) Robinson, Frank R rf-2(+1)e5 $4.46M
9. Honeyman (9) Regan, Phil R R3 $4.93M
10. TimOrz (10) Petrocelli, Rico R ss-2e16 $7.51M
11. Munich_Man (11) Travis, Cecil L ss-3e21 $6.67M
12. thaibill (12) Fox, Nellie L 2b-1e14 $6.88M
Round: 2
13. modmark47 (1) Bush, Donie S ss-1e30 $5.59M
14. JOEOC (2) Suggs, George R R5 $3.97M
15. 13Baseballs (3) Terry, Bill L 1b-1e13 $7.76M
16. Andrew from bunze0 (4)
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