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Here are the ballpark rule options to vote on.

Option One:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 3 years (6 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 3 years (6 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time accrued.

Option Two:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 2 years (4 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 2 years (4 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time already accrued.

Option Three:

Keep current rule with some language/wording changes so that it's cleaned up in a way so as NOT to have what recently has taken place with the same two teams trading, dropping & trading again to work around the 3 year ballpark commitment.

Option Four:

KEEP current rule in place as is.

OWNER OPTION (1-4)
Jay--
John--
Rick A--Option 1
Ray--
Roger--
Russ-- Option 1
Steve--
BillyV--
Neil--
Ted-- Option 4
Peter-- Option 4
Rick P--Option 1

OWNER OPTION (1-4)
Jay--
John--
Rick A--Option 1
Ray--
Roger--Option 1
Russ-- Option 1
Steve--
BillyV--
Neil--
Ted-- Option 4
Peter-- Option 4
Rick P--Option 1

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:11 pm

To the League,

Just to clarify it's up to the members of this league if they want to vote on this trade regarding anything that happened after the initial ballpark trade. Neil had raised this question earlier in these discussions & obviously I agree that he makes a valid point. My focus is getting this ballpark rule straightened out language wise. As Peter has stated it's NOT a new rule. It's a CHANGED one!! What's done is done as far as the trade is concerned probably so I think focusing on the options as far as the rule itself should be what we focus on right now. I think the way the language is now written into the ballpark rule specifically for options One & Two is now straightforward & to the point & I think it takes the wriggle room OUT of the original ballpark rule.

If the league so feels that the trade was unfair to begin with as how it was handled or devised to get Peter the ballpark he wanted then others need to step up & raise those concerns other than myself.

I just want to put this entire mess in the rear view mirror & move forward. I DO NOT WANT OUR LEAGUE FRACTURING off into a million pieces or oblivion over this. I LUV this league & it's the ONLY league I'm involved in. My focus has been on the wording of the ballpark rule as it's currently written.

If Option One or Two were to be voted on & passed I would leave it up to Peter & Ted if they were to voluntarily undo or rework their trade but as far as I'm concerned the TRADE IS DONE. Did I like the trade?? Of course NOT but I think the current rule is WORSE because it allowed the trade to happen to begin with.

Cooler heads must prevail & I know that starts with me.

So now can we just cast votes, move on to our cuts for the supplemental draft & go forward with season2?!?!
It's already been said within our group by others who are in multiple leagues that this is the best group by far so let's keep it that way.

Thanx for your time everyone.

Rick P

Hoboken Astros


Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:53 pm

Here are the ballpark rule options to vote on.

Option One:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 3 years (6 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 3 years (6 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time accrued.

Option Two:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 2 years (4 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 2 years (4 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time already accrued.

Option Three:

Keep current rule with some language/wording changes so that it's cleaned up in a way so as NOT to have what recently has taken place with the same two teams trading, dropping & trading again to work around the 3 year ballpark commitment.

Option Four:

KEEP current rule in place as is.

OWNER OPTION (1-4)
Jay--
John--
Rick A--Option 1
Ray--
Roger--Option 1
Russ-- Option 1
Steve--
BillyV--
Neil--
Ted-- Option 4
Peter-- Option 4
Rick P--Option 1

OWNER OPTION (1-4)
Jay--
John--
Rick A--Option 1
Ray--
Roger--Option 1
Russ-- Option 1
Steve--Option 1
BillyV--
Neil--
Ted-- Option 4
Peter-- Option 4
Rick P--Option 1

For the record, I have now seen some pretty nasty emails from two owners to both me and Ted and I need to say that I'm discouraged by how ugly some of this has become.

To me, the rules - like laws - are often imperfect, but that's why we have debates that focus on logically arguing the points and different perspectives and then allowing votes to choose which perspective is "right." The petty name-calling and insinuations about other owners' character is uncalled for and unproductive. It creates bad blood where a good clean argument is all that's necessary.

I hope we can return to that the next time interpretations differ.

Thanks everybody - Peter

P.S. Also for the record, I might have voted in favor of a rule change if I had not just been the beneficiary of the current rule. To me, it's wrong for someone to use a rule or law to their advantage and then change it before adequate time has passed to allow all to do the same thing. I do like the rule the way it is now as it allowed me to trade parks, but I'm not personally attached to the rules either. All the best.

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:11 pm

To the League,

Just to clarify it's up to the members of this league if they want to vote on this trade regarding anything that happened after the initial ballpark trade. Neil had raised this question earlier in these discussions & obviously I agree that he makes a valid point. My focus is getting this ballpark rule straightened out language wise. As Peter has stated it's NOT a new rule. It's a CHANGED one!! What's done is done as far as the trade is concerned probably so I think focusing on the options as far as the rule itself should be what we focus on right now. I think the way the language is now written into the ballpark rule specifically for options One & Two is now straightforward & to the point & I think it takes the wriggle room OUT of the original ballpark rule.

If the league so feels that the trade was unfair to begin with as how it was handled or devised to get Peter the ballpark he wanted then others need to step up & raise those concerns other than myself.

I just want to put this entire mess in the rear view mirror & move forward. I DO NOT WANT OUR LEAGUE FRACTURING off into a million pieces or oblivion over this. I LUV this league & it's the ONLY league I'm involved in. My focus has been on the wording of the ballpark rule as it's currently written.

If Option One or Two were to be voted on & passed I would leave it up to Peter & Ted if they were to voluntarily undo or rework their trade but as far as I'm concerned the TRADE IS DONE. Did I like the trade?? Of course NOT but I think the current rule is WORSE because it allowed the trade to happen to begin with.

Cooler heads must prevail & I know that starts with me.

So now can we just cast votes, move on to our cuts for the supplemental draft & go forward with season2?!?!
It's already been said within our group by others who are in multiple leagues that this is the best group by far so let's keep it that way.

Thanx for your time everyone.

Rick P

Hoboken Astros


Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:53 pm

Here are the ballpark rule options to vote on.

Option One:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 3 years (6 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 3 years (6 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time accrued.

Option Two:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 2 years (4 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 2 years (4 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time already accrued.

Option Three:

Keep current rule with some language/wording changes so that it's cleaned up in a way so as NOT to have what recently has taken place with the same two teams trading, dropping & trading again to work around the 3 year ballpark commitment.

Option Four:

KEEP current rule in place as is.

OWNER OPTION (1-4)
Jay--
John--
Rick A--Option 1
Ray--
Roger--Option 1
Russ-- Option 1
Steve--Option 1
BillyV--
Neil--
Ted-- Option 4
Peter-- Option 4
Rick P--Option 1

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James Paxton
My First Rd. Supplemental Pick

Available for SP...

Here are the ballpark rule options to vote on.

Option One:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 3 years (6 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 3 years (6 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time accrued.

Option Two:

Teams/Owners must hold/remain with the SAME ballpark for 2 years (4 seasons) continuous before ANY drop, change or trade can occur with that ballpark & then can make a drop, change or trade with that ballpark ONLY between seasons 1 & 2 or during the offseason (fall/winter) after term has been met. Once a team does make a drop, change or trade the clock STARTS again new for another 2 years (4 seasons) continuous with that ballpark & so on & so forth. There would be NO resetting of the clock if this rule were to go into effect thereby allowing teams/owners to keep accrued time with their current ballparks & NOT losing that time already accrued.

Option Three:

Keep current rule with some language/wording changes so that it's cleaned up in a way so as NOT to have what recently has taken place with the same two teams trading, dropping & trading again to work around the 3 year ballpark commitment.

Option Four:

KEEP current rule in place as is.

OWNER OPTION (1-4)
Jay--
John--
Rick A--Option 1
Ray--
Roger--Option 1
Russ-- Option 1
Steve--Option 1
BillyV--
Neil--
Ted-- Option 4
Peter-- Option 4
Rick P--Option 1

Grey release Juan Nicasio.....will make one supplementary pick

GMEN release Cody Ross -Of and with the recent trade of Rivera and Stults will have 37 roster players a 3 supplemental picks.