Bags 11.60 injury risk

Stinks. Bagwell played 110 of his teams 115 games and was MVP for the NL for that year. 110/115 sure doesn't merit a 15 game injury result for my 11.6 million in cold hard cash. And no one has every complained before ? Seems to me an override can be easily programed for players of that year.

Bagwell is probably the most prominent example of a player unfairly being subject to 15 game injury risk. But, as noted, injuries are a factor in setting the price and those players subject to a 15 game injury risk are priced lower than their counterparts with similar cards.

Another player similar to Bagwell is 1981 Schmidt, who played in 102 of his team's 107 games in a strike shortened season and was also NL MVP.

I agree that in this day and age it should be fairly easy to program shorter injuries for those players who missed only a handful of games in seasons where there were work stoppages.

I also agree that the whole injury system is an archaic remnant from the dice game that sadly needs an overhaul to bring it into the computer age. As currently implemented, the 600 plate appearance threshold arbitrarily discriminates against players who played in 154 game (or less) seasons, players who batted from the middle of the order on down, players who were on poor hitting teams in that they got fewer ABs simply because the batting order did not turn over as much, teams with good home records, whose players often lost ABs because they didn't have to bat in the bottom of the ninth and platoon players and bit players who were never injured over the course of the season, but couldn't accumulate ABs because the manager simply didn't play them on a regular basis. In addition, SOM excludes HBP and sacrifices for purposes of calculating injury eligibility, counting only walks and ABs rather than using the more inclusive MLB definition of plate appearances. There are numerous players, such as Stargell and Mauer, who are just short of 3 game injury eligibility (instead of their current 15 game injury eligibility), whereas had HBP and sacrifice flies been counted, they would have met the 600 plate appearance threshhold and been eligible for a 3 game max injury.

Maybe ATG8 will address some of these issues, but I'm not holding my breath.

So, I'm in Minute Maid 05, a heavily righty park. He's KILLER against LH pitching. According to DD, .726 BA alone - lets not even discuss his HR capability.

Since DD basically compares his two cards and he is about the same against RH pitching, would you risk the 15 game injury for the upgrade against LH or drop back to the injury free 10.18 card ? Of note, 4 out of 12 starters in my division are LH.

Thanks for all the other comments about the hopelessness of this situation. Theoretically it's only through our voices that we can effect change.

Moose

Moose-

Think that Cap/rest of league/ and rest of line-up have to factor into that decision.

In lower caps would more likely go for the cheaper bags- b/c it is both cheaper and the replacement will be a worse player.

Has my voice affected change?

I brought up this injury thing a few years ago.

If a player has over 600 PA's and can only go down for 3 games max @ a time, how can he be injured 3-4X a year when he (in real life) only lost 3-4 games in that season.

If something is to be done to make the injuries more realistic, then something needs to be done when a guy over-performs, hitting wise. Or... when a deadball pitcher gives up 40+ HR's.

If there is to be a governor on a player getting injured, there has to be the same governor on a player over-performing. Or when a RP tosses 200+ innings...

Are you advocating for normalization? Because that opens a big can of worms, doesn't it?

Who moi?

Personally, I'm not. I'm just bringing up the other side of the coin.

If injuries become normalized, so should the season #'s.

Has my voice affected change?

Occasionally the system works. We got the Cuban and Japan players out of ATG8 didn't we ? I think in "days past" (before the switch from TSN to SOM) we got more of what we wanted than what is happening now. But little suggestions are being read, just seems to be a lot harder to tackle the bigger stuff. While I tend to take a lower tone on my opinion, I want what we all want just as much. I miss the people we have lost who just gave up.

MM

Moose - the expensive Bags is so much superior to the cheaper one for just 1.6 more that I would nevereverever downgrade. Sign up the sub 1M Fregosi as a backup.

But then again, I've been known to intentionally set up lineups with 9 15-game injury risks because of the great value you get while they're healthy- so I might not be the most objective source.

Moose - the expensive Bags is so much superior to the cheaper one for just 1.6 more that I would nevereverever downgrade. Sign up the sub 1M Fregosi as a backup.

But then again, I've been known to intentionally set up lineups with 9 15-game injury risks because of the great value you get while they're healthy- so I might not be the most objective source.

This is how I see it too.

Bagwell is not the best example of a player to use for this phenomenon- as Frank noted, he broke his hand on the final day before the strike, and if the season went a full 162 games, he would have missed most of August/ September, and presumably would not have won the MVP. Another factor to consider with players having shortened seasons is regression to the mean- if Schmidt played another 50 games in 1981, perhaps he wouldn't have set career highs in BA, OBP and SLG. He may have had a less impressive, but more durable, card. The same principle would apply if Bagwell would have been able to play for the rest of 1994.

In addition to the other examples of players who were close to the 600 PA cusp, Jake Stenzel is particularly problematic. SOM is relying on outdated stats-- they list him at 522 at bats and 75 walks (597 PA), whereas baseball-reference.com has him with one extra game, 525 at bats and 76 walks. When I contacted them about it shortly after the card was introduced, they claimed that they would not be able to re-issue the card at that time (even though they wouldn't need to change the allocation of rolls on the card, just the variable between a 3-game and 15-game injury).

I don't see Strat fixing this anytime soon, but I'd like to see more pitcher injuries. (And especially to Dale Murray as he nears 300 IP time and time again for a card based on 2 1/2 months...)