Who Ya Kidding?

"when I see someone start a new topic with the title "Who Ya Kidding?", I automatically consider that to be whining without regard to the tenor of the post within"


seems a little prejudiced (in the root meaning sense of 'prejudiced' (i.e., pre-judging))


again, not to argue but to reiterate, the comment at the root of the thread did not seem like whining to me (and apparently some others too). to me it seemed like somebody, like guys I used to ftf with in college, groaning 'realism at its best' after his opponent got a slam on a 2-12 HR 1-4 roll.

it happens, yeah, but I don't have to like it and neither does anybody else when it happens to them.


I don't think we need to slam people for expressing frustrations over stuff like that. just my opinion.

3. There are some things that the game company does not divulge. Among them are the mechanism for bunting for base hits, what happens when a pitcher ceases to be an F9 for a particular game, how it decides to use relief pitchers within the parameters of the pitcher roles we assign, how it decides whether to pinch hit, etc. We just have to deal with it. I am in a PBM league where we use the current game, and the computer manager available in the current game is vastly better than this one, but also vastly more time-consuming to program. If that CM was available here, I would consider it quite a burden to start more than one team a week. And it would completely baffle new users. So they continue to use the relatively simplistic version, to make the game more user-friendly. I think that's a good thing, we need more managers here, not less, even at the expense of a poor computer AI.

Rburgh seems you've been behind the curtain over in Oz a bit, me too...And while I agree with much of what you say I don't drink the kool aid like some here do...and have trouble just letting some things go unchallenged.

At the *Root* of poor AI more than anything else, far more than anything else, is *not* a concern to keep the game user friendly, but an almost absolute disdain towards advancing the game in any meaningful way... beyond adding in some new players and new stadiums to use every once in a blue, can anyone that's been here for more than minute show me how "having three additional programmers" (oh and what a big deal they made about that) has improved the game?

A year for a live draft?
Manager ratings 2 years and counting and still not available.
Not a simple addition to the bullpen logic such as righty/lefty set up...and given the amount of high cap leagues and often much bigger bullpens why not allow us to have a 3rd and even 4th specialist? 3rd or 4th closer? Surely one of the Four programmers could get this done quickly or eventually....and that's to name just a few.

So if a paying customer wants to vent a little about this game, even if he may be missing something himself, in a given topic, I'll not slap him down.

Maybe he was venting. But I actually think it can be good to vent once in a while. Occasionally it just helps to share one's misery with others.

So while it may be completely legitimate for three straight 4-10 rolls to happen in a row given the millions of rolls it would still be frustrating to lose that way.

Or to bring it back to real life. Beltre plays a great third base. Handles plays others don't and some I just marvel at. But on the rare occasion he muffs one or makes a bad play I still get frustrated and turn to my cats and say "I can't believe he did that". They give me the meow that says yeah and I haven't had my neck scratched in the last 5 minutes.

Point is venting is not always an attack on the game company. Sometimes it is just finding an outlet for something that was frustrating. Sometimes the best response is just to sympathize a little. The world could use a little more sympathy. You know I think our right to sympathy is in the constitution too.

Well said Valen.

When I read the original post I thought back to 1994 when Omar Visquel committed three errors in one game. When it happened I sure didn't say, "Who ya kidding?" It was much worse than that. Heck, Omar committed just three errors in one season once.
Tough luck for Campy but he must realize that sometimes art (or HAL) imitates life.....

Maxie

I understand rb's initial post. The frustration for me is with people whose only posts are "look how bad I got screwed" without any other general posts about games or old-time baseball or joining leagues or the corresponding "look how lucky I got" results that balance things out. We all get screwed over and over... but we all get incredibly lucky over and over as well.

We only post the negative aberrations... like this one, where this power team went an entire series with no BP HR opportunities:

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/misc/1384270

... and not the positive ones, like this (2013) mid-level closer Steve Cishek converting 36 straight saves.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/1125370

All I'm asking is for people to use the forum to show amazing results both ways, and to talk baseball, and be part of the community, rather than only post when they feel they have been wronged.

Uhm. Rburgh is an a$$hole. Just straight up. I have no idea why someone would post something like that; amazing lack of social skills.

As a potential "new" customer, I look at a thread like this and see several things, including some old friends. To sum up, the question is perhaps how a community can be one of support, passion for baseball and commiseration, instead of frankly how 99.99% of all online message boards are. It's not easy, but it has proven doable in the past here. As a potential "new" customer, I'm drawn toward that .01% chance (as we all must be, given the game we play...it's the outliers that make it all worthwhile), but wonder.

Is this message board like almost all the others now. Pity.

I'll keep watching a bit to see if there's a bit more of the old potential here.

scot/frannyzoo

Uhm. Rburgh is an a$$hole. Just straight up. I have no idea why someone would post something like that; amazing lack of social skills.

Said of a man whose wife just died two days ago.

social skills....no lessons to be learned here.

Bill

social skills....no lessons to be learned here.

Insert sound of applause here.

Maxie