Hot Stove

Firstly, the only recent screed on this thread is your last post. I've debunked all your arguments, and you're getting flustered. So, just breathe, TN; it'll be ok.

Secondly, Badler didn't have to make a direct comparison to say Leyba has a greater upside. His attributing superior offensive skills to Leyba that Gregorius doesn't possess itself says Leyba's upside is greater. I suggest you brush up on your syllogistic logic a bit.

Also, you never said Sullivan compared the two IFers and found Leyba lacking. You said he said AZ got the worst of the trade. You also didn't cite or quote the article. You need to do so to validate your statement. And you again repeat your flawed "something for nothing" argument about prospects and their "probabilities." I debunked in my last post. I even showed examples showing how ridiculous your stance on prospects are; maybe I'll have to do in response to your next screed.

P.s. You keep saying the D-backs made a bad deal and keep showing you don't know how they could have done better. How often do you want to undermine your own argument?...

Google it. Not that hard

Google it. Not that hard

Neither is posting it. It was your referencing argument; if you don't want to validate it, that's your loss.

A good haul ironically would have been the straight up trade of Greene for Gregorious that the Yanks offered but Az rejected. Greene as a pitcher will carry higher risk than Gregorious but undeniably has higher upside given his 2014 Yankee performance.

TN's post about how AZ could have done better.

Greene's pre-2014 history is pretty bad.

If he had actually explained how Greene "undeniably has a higher upside," sure. However, he didn't explain that unfounded assertion. Considering he had previously denigrated Greene's upside in another post--see above--he needed to do that to show how AZ would have done better with Greene.

"Greene has higher upside given his 2014 Yankee performance". It's like you're a Swiss cheese reader or something.

Your false, childish phrases are as lame as your arguments. A player's performance doesn't dictate his upside; it dictates his present capability and likelihood to meet his upside. I'm not suprised you haven't figured that out. For you to evaluate Greene's, Ray's, and Leyba's upsides, you have to address their abilities and maximum potentials. You haven't done that yet. So, you didn't explain Greene's "higher" upside, and I well read and addressed your post.

So, try again and keep those lame expressions coming; they reveal so much...


P.s. You still haven't addressed this contradictory phrase of yours questioning Greene's upside:

Greene's pre-2014 history is pretty bad.

I suggest you read your posts better and avoid making such glaring contradictions.

While Greene's pre-2014 history is pretty bad I meant to type Ray there, as Ray was the player the Dbacks got back in the trade not Greene. The Tigers got Greene.

Not gonna address your silly "upside" argument, which is as ridiculous as your claim that Badler compared Leyba to Gregorious directly.

In other news Beane's Samardzjia trade makes much more sense to me than the Donaldson and Moss moves in terms of the return. Semien has the makings of a decent major league 2b. I think it makes sense for the White Sox too.

The Robertson signing is an overpay by the Pale Hose. 4/46 is ridiculous, even the best relievers aren't worth that. They aren't finishing off a contender, where it'd be justified, they are trying to build one. Spending 70 million on the likes of Laroche and Robertson aint gonna get you there, but Samardjzia is in fact a giant upgrade and one that won't screw them financially.

Not gonna address your silly "upside" argument, which is as ridiculous as your claim that Badler compared Leyba to Gregorious directly.

Of course you're not going to address my completely correct "upside" argument. It shows your "upside" argument was terribly flawed and wrong. Burying your head in the sand doesn't change that fact.

And I never said Badler compared Leyba to Gregorius directly...your reading is truly poor. I correctly said that, by attributing skills to Leyba that Gregorius doesn't possess, he said Leyba has a higher upside than Gregorius. I understand you have difficulties with syllogistic logic. So, I don't fault you for not understanding.

As to the Sox. Robertson was an overpay, but he's an excellent closer who, along with Samzardzija and LaRoche, will make the Sox much more competitive in the AL Central.

Zzzzzzzz.

Pirates just inked Liriano for 3/39. A fine move, a good contract.