X rating question

Thanks Hackra...and am I further correct that the fielder's rating only comes into play on x-chance rolls?

Thanks Hackra...and am I further correct that the fielder's rating only comes into play on x-chance rolls?

More specifically the player's range and e-rating only come into play on x-chances? Arm ratings are a separate issue.

I believe that is correct

Outfielder or catcher's arm only comes into play in a baserunning situation. For a catcher, it's simple. When a runner attempts a steal, the catcher's are rating is considered in the steal result.

With outfielders, there are more possibilities. Sometimes, the number of bases a runner can advance is set on a particular roll. For example in with this split on a roll of seven, the runner will advance two bases on the double, and bases on a single
7- DO** 1-9
SI** 10-20
However, there are many cases where the runner's running rating and the fielder's arm come into play. For example, on this seven roll we see something different:

7- DO 1-5
fly(cf)B 6-20
Now, on the split becomes a double, the runner on first can try for home. And on the fly to CF, a runner on 3rd can tag up try for home with less than two outs. In each case, the outfielder's arm rating (here the CF) is added to or subtracted from the runner's run rating. I think with the double, it's to CF, since I think that hits are to CF unless indicated otherwise.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on whether hits are to CF unless otherwise indicated.

IIRC, there are some x-results where the OF's arm can come in, since some hits and also so OF outs may allow the kind of possible runner advancement shown in the second example.

prjr, a couple of fine points -

1) the thing about 3b and pitcher errors is that, if I remember correctly, they have a slightly higher chance of being 2base errors relative to the middle infielder chances.

and

2) slightly off-topic, but somewhat relevant - if a single or double has both no splats ( **s) and no outfielder position listed (that happens often on split doubles) the outfielder making the throw is, if I remember correctly, presumed to be the cf, making his arm even a little more important than the others (even though naive common sense (and I am pretty sure baseball history - slightly more of the great arms have been rf s than cf s) would make you think that rf, with the longer throw to 3b, would be more important)

Thanks for the ongoing information from all. I already have a pretty firm grasp of the importance of arm ratings and the situations they become relevant. My main point is that pitcher's range and e-ratings are minimally important compared with other positions. Even given a higher probability of 2 base errors. Again, even a 300 inning pitcher is only going to have, on average, 10-11 x-chances in a season if half result in errors, two base or one base, that means 5-6 errors from that position in a season. Further, it is not likely that they will all result in losses. Everyone is obviously free to assign their own weight to that probability. But for me it gives me a new perspective on its' importance when choosing pitchers. Granted if every pitcher on your staff is 5e30 you will have problems. But for any one pitcher it shouldn't be a deal breaker. Please, if I'm missing something in this assessment, enlighten me.

The reason i was curious about the numbers is the cost of having a left or right fielder
with a 4 rating -but with a minus arm

Determining the impact of arm rating has always been an area of strat where I have never been quite happy with my value formulas.

Regarding the CF verses RF issue I believe the RFer has additional adjustments made as compared to the other OFers. Thus the arm in RF for strat is more important than the arm for a CFer. Exactly how that breaks down and impacts things over a season I will leave to others.

Here are the outfield arm and baserunner rules for Super-Advanced SOM, which is what is used in the online game.

Modifications for Baserunner Advancement
The possible changes to a batter's baserunning rating are as follows:

1. add or subtract the number in parenthesis following the outfield position found at the top of the involved defensive outfielder's card from the running rating of the involved baserunner. To identify the outfielder in question refer to the outfield symbol following the single or double reading on the batter or pitcher's card involved. In the event that there is no outfield symbol assume the throw to be made by the centerfielder.
2. Add +2 if there is two outs when advancing on Singles and Doubles,
3. On attempts for third base: subtract -2 if the left fielder is making the throw, add +2 if the right fielder is making the throw.
4. On attempts for home with a FLY ( )B? add +2.
The combined running rating with all possible modifications cannot be lower than 1 nor higher than 19.

So, as rule #3 indicates, there's definitely a premium on having a good arm in RF, while you can get away with a weaker arm in LF. CF gets more plays, but has a neutral affect on throws to 3B.

There's more info about all of this at this baseballthinkfactory.org link: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/basesim/somrules.htm

thanks to Outta Leftfield for providing the letter of the rule.


that is what I thought but didn't have the text handy and no time to look for it.