Final 36 as of today

the official tournament of SOM Baseball 20xx

Moderators: Palmtana, mighty moose

  • Author
  • Message
Offline

gbrookes

  • Posts: 5343
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:24 am

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostMon Dec 22, 2014 3:37 am

Thanks for your comments guys.

I've thought it over, and agree that my ruling from last year should stand as it was, since there was no notice of any intent to change it.

I also think that, given the tiebreaker structure that we have in place, it's the only logical way to approach it. Otherwise, that particular tiebreaker would never resolve any ties.

Therefore, all 5 events will be considered for the tiebreaker test for total regular season wins.

Thanks for the input guys.
Offline

J-Pav

  • Posts: 2173
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:53 pm
  • Location: Earth

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostTue Dec 23, 2014 3:55 pm

Tiebreakers
1. Championships won
2. Finals made
3. Playoffs made
4. Regular season total wins
5. No. of events played
6. Pick 3 winner

My thoughts looking ahead to next year...

The tiebreakers are flawed as they are written and here's why. The number of events played should not be included. If I get 350 points with four teams and opt out of entering a fifth team, how is that WORSE than you needing five teams (and a "participation bonus") to get 350 points? It's not, plain and simple.

I think the original intent was to reward the extra participation, not to unintentionally penalize the team that didn't need the extra participation. The unfortunate consequence, however, is that the four event team is unfairly punished here, though likely no one would have anticipated this in advance until the tiebreakers were fully tested.

In this case, if everybody played five teams, all five teams should count in the total wins (tiebreaker four, as noted previously, is redundant without adding the fifth team to the number of wins). That's how it was done last year, I believe, and that's how I think it should be done this year.

Run differential is a much better tiebreaker, and I intend to add it to the list for next year. You should never lose a tie-breaker to a Pick 3 except in only the extreme circumstance that you tie through the run diff tiebreak.

My 0.02.
Offline

blue turtle

  • Posts: 418
  • Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:00 pm

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostTue Dec 23, 2014 6:10 pm

J-Pav wrote:Tiebreakers
1. Championships won
2. Finals made
3. Playoffs made
4. Regular season total wins
5. No. of events played
6. Pick 3 winner

My thoughts looking ahead to next year...

The tiebreakers are flawed as they are written and here's why. The number of events played should not be included. If I get 350 points with four teams and opt out of entering a fifth team, how is that WORSE than you needing five teams (and a "participation bonus") to get 350 points? It's not, plain and simple.

I think the original intent was to reward the extra participation, not to unintentionally penalize the team that didn't need the extra participation. The unfortunate consequence, however, is that the four event team is unfairly punished here, though likely no one would have anticipated this in advance until the tiebreakers were fully tested.

In this case, if everybody played five teams, all five teams should count in the total wins (tiebreaker four, as noted previously, is redundant without adding the fifth team to the number of wins). That's how it was done last year, I believe, and that's how I think it should be done this year.

Run differential is a much better tiebreaker, and I intend to add it to the list for next year. You should never lose a tie-breaker to a Pick 3 except in only the extreme circumstance that you tie through the run diff tiebreak.

My 0.02.


I thought similarly re: tie breaker #5. If the two teams tied with their top 4 team records, and tied down to regular season total wins, the team that played only 4 seasons will always lose tiebreaker #4 since their "5th" will be 0 and the team that played 5 seasons will have the benefit of the dropped 5 season's wins. But let's say, no if one team only played 4, we will call that a tie and go to tie breaker #5 out of "fairness.' Now the team that played 5 seasons wins by playing 5 instead of 4. But, the original tie only occurred because they played 5 seasons and got the 5 bonus points that enabled the tie in the first place, no?

I guess it is a matter of opinion and philosophy, but I think the goal is to have the best 32 managers in the semi-finals, not the most active. The 5 point participation trophy is enough of an incentive.
Offline

gbrookes

  • Posts: 5343
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:24 am

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostThu Dec 25, 2014 11:25 am

Merry Christmas

Update on Event 5 League 7 - 27 games to play -

Mpcharette has the wildcard by 2 wins, ycbyll and kihoover are leading their divisions. The playoff races are close, and the other top 36 contestants are still within striking distance of the playoffs.
Offline

gbrookes

  • Posts: 5343
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:24 am

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostFri Jan 02, 2015 10:32 am

mpcharette is into the top 36 already, and still going, having made the wild card spot in event 5 league 7.

Kihoover needs a sweep in his last 3 games and then to win the championship in order to make the top 36.

JR_Shark and cybill need to either win the championship, or sweep their last 3 and make the finals.

Tonight's games are important!
Geoff
Offline

gbrookes

  • Posts: 5343
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:24 am

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostSat Jan 03, 2015 2:21 am

gbrookes wrote:mpcharette is into the top 36 already, and still going, having made the wild card spot in event 5 league 7.

Kihoover needs a sweep in his last 3 games and then to win the championship in order to make the top 36.

JR_Shark and cybill need to either win the championship, or sweep their last 3 and make the finals.

Tonight's games are important!
Geoff

Ycbill and Kihoover are out, but JR_Shark can still make it if he wins the championship in event 5.
Offline

gbrookes

  • Posts: 5343
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:24 am

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostWed Jan 07, 2015 10:10 am

1. wjb23 398
2. GoDucks 393
3. pushpin76 392
4. keyzick 391
5. mcsoupy 390
6. dalelawrence 387
7. unclerowser 385
8. Al Hogg 384
9. bob711 382
10. Jeepdriver 378
11. AZHawg 378
12. jmoore1966 374
13. J-Pav 373
14. mesquiton 372
15. ute3333 372
16. TomSiebert 370
17. ROGGIE 369
18. markyura 368
19. FoggyOne 368
20. edgecitytx 368
21. Gilbo 367
22. bbasebrawl 363
23. dmanwon 363
24. blue turtle 361
25. durantjerry 361
26. Delbird 360
27. teamnasty 360
28. ScumbyJr 359
29. mpcharette 358
30. SteadyEddie33 358
31. krazykat 356
32. hendrix08 355
33. waynick 355
34. DAVIDSUNDERMAN 354
35. mds6101 353
36. karphenry 352

NOTE - these standings are FINAL - **EXCEPT** that JR_Shark can surpass karphenry for spot #36 only if JR_Shark wins the finals series in Event 5 League 7 - in which case JR_Shark would have 355 points, tied for 32nd, and Karphenry would be bumped out of the top 36. If JR_Shark does not win the finals series, karphenry would remain in spot #36 by virtue of the tie-breaker for regular season wins.

Tiebreakers have been applied. If you have any questions, please post here. The tiebreakers are as follows:

1. Championships won
2. Finals made
3. Playoffs made
4. Regular season total wins
5. No. of events played
6. Pick 3 winner

If JR-Shark wins the championship finals series for Event 5 League 7, he would leap into 33rd, pushing waynick down to 34th, and every other player below that down 1 spot.
Offline

JR_Shark

  • Posts: 25
  • Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:09 pm

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 1:06 am

I won the Championship, so let me know what Playoff League I in.
My guess is League 3 - 11th seed

Unread postWed Jan 07, 2015 9:10 am

1. wjb23 398
2. GoDucks 393
3. pushpin76 392
4. keyzick 391
5. mcsoupy 390
6. dalelawrence 387
7. unclerowser 385
8. Al Hogg 384
9. bob711 382
10. Jeepdriver 378
11. AZHawg 378
12. jmoore1966 374
13. J-Pav 373
14. mesquiton 372
15. ute3333 372
16. TomSiebert 370
17. ROGGIE 369
18. markyura 368
19. FoggyOne 368
20. edgecitytx 368
21. Gilbo 367
22. bbasebrawl 363
23. dmanwon 363
24. blue turtle 361
25. durantjerry 361
26. Delbird 360
27. teamnasty 360
28. ScumbyJr 359
29. mpcharette 358
30. SteadyEddie33 358
31. krazykat 356
32. hendrix08 355
33. JR_Shark 355 now
34 waynick 355
35. DAVIDSUNDERMAN 354
36. mds6101 353
bubble boy. karphenry 352

NOTE - these standings are FINAL - **EXCEPT** that JR_Shark can surpass karphenry for spot #36 only if JR_Shark wins the finals series in Event 5 League 7 - in which case JR_Shark would have 355 points, tied for 32nd, and Karphenry would be bumped out of the top 36. If JR_Shark does not win the finals series, karphenry would remain in spot #36 by virtue of the tie-breaker for regular season wins.

Tiebreakers have been applied. If you have any questions, please post here. The tiebreakers are as follows:

1. Championships won
2. Finals made
3. Playoffs made
4. Regular season total wins
5. No. of events played
6. Pick 3 winner

If JR-Shark wins the championship finals series for Event 5 League 7, he would leap into 33rd, pushing waynick down to 34th, and every other player below that down 1 spot.
Offline

Al Hogg

  • Posts: 804
  • Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:21 pm

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 1:29 am

JR_Shark wrote:I won the Championship, so let me know what Playoff League I in.
My guess is League 3 - 11th seed


Congratulations! It looks like the shark leapt up and devoured the karp (or at least his chances for the championship).
Offline

SteadyEddie33

  • Posts: 225
  • Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:49 pm
  • Location: Maryland

Re: Final 36 as of today

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 1:35 pm

[quote="JR_Shark"]I won the Championship, so let me know what Playoff League I in.
My guess is League 3 - 11th seed

Yup, looks that way. Might as well get your ballpark pick ready then, eh? We'll then just be waiting for mds6101 as the 12 seed. Geoff will no doubt check in later today with final final ruling..

By the way, I don't know that i like getting a red-hot champ coming in when the rest of us have been busy thumb-twiddling for some time now, lol :roll: :mrgreen:
Previous

Return to --- Player's Championship

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 34 guests