determining fielding ratings?

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determining fielding ratings?

PostSun Dec 28, 2014 1:47 pm

i was checking out fielding stats on baseball-reference. justin heyward was voted defensive POY. he had 375 chances, 365 PO, 9 assists and 1 error. out of the 10 missed PO he had only 1 error. what r the other 9 possibilities? balls he didn't get to but could have, but were ruled a hit and not an error?
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostSun Dec 28, 2014 2:04 pm

scorehouse wrote:i was checking out fielding stats on baseball-reference. justin heyward was voted defensive POY. he had 375 chances, 365 PO, 9 assists and 1 error. out of the 10 missed PO he had only 1 error. what r the other 9 possibilities? balls he didn't get to but could have, but were ruled a hit and not an error?


Fielder's choice where the runner was safe.
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostSun Dec 28, 2014 4:49 pm

FC would make sense for an infder but for an of?
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostSun Dec 28, 2014 4:52 pm

scorehouse wrote:FC would make sense for an infder but for an of?


A late throw is just late; it's not necessarily an error. It was the Fielder's Choice to go for the out on an advancing runner.
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostSun Dec 28, 2014 7:13 pm

Chances = Putouts + Assists + Errors

Fielding % = (Chances - Errors)/Chances

For Heyward that is 375 chances = 365 putouts + 9 assists + 1 error.

Where exactly are you seeing the "missed PO"? The 9 assists and the one error = 10, but are not missed putouts in the sense that he could have had 375 possible putouts.

His one error was a throwing error. - A throwing error, of course, does not imply that an out could have been made. It could be assigned if he threw wildly past third, for example, even if the throw had no chance of nailing the runner.
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostMon Dec 29, 2014 9:57 am

is there a stat for attempted assists? where does that show up?
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostMon Dec 29, 2014 11:00 am

scorehouse wrote:is there a stat for attempted assists? where does that show up?


I don't see how a routine throw vs a throw to stop an advancing runner is separated, one is a Chance and the other isn't, but both can end up in the dugout for an error. Each OF fielding chance on a hit is a chance to botch picking up the ball and then the throw. It still seems to be a single chance as far as stats go.
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostMon Dec 29, 2014 11:44 am

If you go to baseball-reference.com for Heyward and click on the Advanced Fielding tab (next to the Standard Fielding chart on the initial screen of stats) you can see a number of items related to OF throwing.

It first breaks down errors by Catch/Field/Throw, then goes on to a breakdown of assists by base, then each on base situation where a throw might be needed (opportunities/held/killed). "Opportunities" is total number of possible situations faced by that OF, "Held" is number of times the runner did not attempt to advance, and "Killed" is number of outs when the runner did attempt to advance.

Over his 5-year career Heyward's totals show that runners held 45.8% of the time and were killed 2.2% - MLB averages being 46.5% held and 2.3% killed - so these numbers are slightly below the MLB average. Of course, this is only one parameter of fielding - Heyward's range was considered best of any RF in 2014 by several indices.

Very neat stats to ponder.
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostMon Dec 29, 2014 5:40 pm

wonder how kaline and clemente stack up if they kept those detailed of stats
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Re: determining fielding ratings?

PostMon Dec 29, 2014 5:42 pm

tried to find but can't a stat of an OF throwing out a batter at first. say RF has a strong arm and a slow runner rips a one hop line drive right to him and he immediately guns it to first. anyone know?
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