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Would it matter if I had my 10th FA pick still say instead of my 6th FA?


So what happens if theoretically I traded all 10 of my picks to someone for all 10 of theirs? How many players would I have to drop if my roster is 40 and want to get to 30 or should I say use all 10 of my picks? Is it 10 or is it 20? This is where if the answer is 20 that the rule does not make a lot of sense and should be changed. If its 10, why?

You wouldn't have to do anything in that scenario because you would effectively be swapping the ten picks. Well, one of you would have to drop 11 players, whoever was later in the draft.

See it's never really come up to this extent. Basically, it's sort of like in cards, if you want three, you have to give up three.

You couldn't trade those picks after your roster is at 40, so you can't trade them before unless you drop enough players to own them now. Basically, every pick you own must be bought with a rostered player. The first ten are mandatory, so everybody drops down to 30.

To trade a pick, you must own it. In effect, while we post trades, the pick cannot be valid until the previous owner drops the player necessary and thereby purchases the pick.

Since he must do so during the draft, he must do so before.

It confuses me too.

So, what if I had my 10th FA instead of my 6th FA, how many do I have to drop? Is it still 17 or is it now 11?

Still not sure how to interpret this rule, but what happens to those who trade away their 1st 3 FA picks and have only "7" draft picks after dropping to 10 players to get to 30 players, they get 3 additional picks past round 10, why? They traded draft picks away but still get draft pick in rounds 11,12 and 13. Does not make a lot of sense to me. I have more than 10 picks in the first 10 rounds (11 currently) but I get penalized as now I have to drop 17 guys?

What if I get my 9th and 10th FA picks back for say my 6th FA, what happens then, do I have to drop 18 or what? I do not even know based on current rule.

That's why I always hold onto my 10th rnd pick, I think it's a loophole

FWIW in the leagues I commish in, everyone must drop to a set # (i.e. 30) and no more than a set # (i.e. 25) and once your roster hits 40, your FA draft is completed. So in Peter's example let's say Dave trades none of the 10 he's acquired in the 1st 3 rounds (YEAH RIGHT ) and drops to the required 30, then his draft would be over after 3 rounds. Any later picks he acquired would be forfeited thereafter.

Hopefully this makes sense as I'm typing quickly before getting the kids ready for bed!

Personally and as commish, I'm for just deleting the rule entirely. It's a headache to track and I personally have never made a trade banking on the other guy dropping a player to "cover" the pick. Unless someone raises serious objections, I think we shoiuld put it to a vote soon - after everybody has had a chance to speak their mind.

Dave, you want to put an email out to everyone presenting the problem to everybody?

I posted the issue before the dialogue started here for a vote, etc. Already.

Looking to vote a proposed change in a rule, that currently does not make a lot of sense to a few already regarding FA draft and number of players that need to be dropped.

Current Rule
You cannot trade draft choices that you do not own. This means that if you trade a 9th round draft pick, you must release as many players as necessary to insure that you will have a 9th round pick. For example, you have a 40-man roster, and you have acquired extra 2nd, 3rd and 6th round draft picks during the year. You have also traded away a 7th and 9th round draft picks. This means you must release at least 12 players prior to the draft to ensure that you will have a 9th round pick. If you plan to continue drafting beyond Round 9, you will have to release an additional player for each subsequent round. You cannot drop more than 15 players.

So what this means if you trade 3 draft picks (say rounds 6, 8 and 10) for 3 players, you would have to drop a minimum of 13 players under the current rules and that only accounts for one trade, while the trading partner only has to drop enough players to get to 30 (at a minimum).

I am proposing the following (and more than welcome to alter as needed). So if you are stock piling draft picks, you may do so, as you are already under restriction that you roster can never fall under 25 players.

Proposed Rule Change
1. You must drop enough players to get your roster to a size between 25 and 30.
2. You cannot trade draft picks past the 10th round.
3. Active roster may never be less that 25 players.

If you have any suggestions to tweek above please let me know.

Vote below:
Peter -
Thisisdan -
Tcochran -
Alk58 -
Turtle -
TefJ -
Edub1969 -
Roscodog - YES
Nythawk -
Smitty -
Lakeviewdave -YES
Thisisray -

Roscodog wrote:
Looking to vote a proposed change in a rule, that currently does not make a lot of sense to a few already regarding FA draft and number of players that need to be dropped.

Current Rule
You cannot trade draft choices that you do not own. This means that if you trade a 9th round draft pick, you must release as many players as necessary to insure that you will have a 9th round pick. For example, you have a 40-man roster, and you have acquired extra 2nd, 3rd and 6th round draft picks during the year. You have also traded away a 7th and 9th round draft picks. This means you must release at least 12 players prior to the draft to ensure that you will have a 9th round pick. If you plan to continue drafting beyond Round 9, you will have to release an additional player for each subsequent round. You cannot drop more than 15 players.

So what this means if you trade 3 draft picks (say rounds 6, 8 and 10) for 3 players, you would have to drop a minimum of 13 players under the current rules and that only accounts for one trade, while the trading partner only has to drop enough players to get to 30 (at a minimum).

I am proposing the following (and more than welcome to alter as needed). So if you are stock piling draft picks, you may do so, as you are already under restriction that you roster can never fall under 25 players.

Proposed Rule Change
1. You must drop enough players to get your roster to a size between 25 and 30.
2. You cannot trade draft picks past the 10th round.
3. Active roster may never be less that 25 players.

If you have any suggestions to tweek above please let me know.

Vote below:
Peter - YES
Thisisdan -
Tcochran -
Alk58 -
Turtle -
TefJ -
Edub1969 -
Roscodog - YES
Nythawk -
Smitty -
Lakeviewdave -YES
Thisisray -

Not to butt in, but Rosoco brought this into a league I'm in with him and lakeviewdave sent me a PM asking for my opinion/advice, so I thought I'd at least share the reason the rule is written the way it is, as I was in the league that first implemented it and know the whys and wherefores:

Saw this posted in another league and I like it, I've been thinking of something like this for a while now. I've never totally understood the rationale for the rule and think it can be simplified. Since I've taken over this league, I don't think its ever been enforced anyways.

The logic was this,( and I know 'cause I know the guy that wrote the rule, sandlotshrink, it was written and discussed for USKL and has become adopted by most of the keep leagues here on the site.)

You are using the assumption that every team has draft picks in 1-10 (or 15) rounds regardless of cuts, which can lead to a situation where someone trades a pick even though they have a full roster and wouldn't be using that pick. So the rule was written to ensure you only get picks for cuts. So even if you have a roster of less than 40 due to unbalanced trade trade you still need to make enough cuts to account for the draft picks you've traded.

The real problem was this, and this is why it was enacted, we had a manger that made his ten cuts, which can lead to a situation where someone trades a pick even though they have a full roster and wouldn't be using that pick. but was done drafting for his team in round 7 but then during round 8 of the draft, he traded his 10th round slot to another manager for a future draft pick even though he already had a full roster, which none of the rest of the league thought was fair. That's the situation the rule was written to prevent. So long as there is a caveat that a slot can't be traded once a roster is full I can see making a change

The other reason the rule helps is it has the added benefit of forcing guys to make cuts thus adding to the player pool for the draft, which, quite frankly I've found lacking in some leagues, and so I've made adjustments in my later leagues to the supplemental drafts and prospect drafts to also help the Spring draft player pool.



Thought this might at least give you some perspective and show why the rules was written.