What's more rare,30 wins or 4 20 game winners? Post 'em here

I don't think I have had either. If I have would need to be from my early 200x teams ran under a different now abandoned account. For multiple years now since I started doing mostly high cap ATG leagues I use so many matchup starters it is usually tough to get one 20 game winner let alone 4 or one with 30.

Hey Maxie, how about providing the links to those teams

I'm reluctant to show others teams to the public.
However while going through this thread I thought to myself I could sort the actuals (80 & 100M) data I have and come up with the those with most 30 win seasons.
That may take awhile since my computer was in the hospital and required a reinstall of Windows. (First virus in 25+ years, thanks Bitdefender.) When Windows was reinstalled Works is no longer provided (thanks Microsoft.) All my spreadsheets are on in Works and I am not accomplished with Word's Excel. I should have a Works program this weekend and then convert the hundreds of spreadsheets from Excel to Works.
This much I know, there will be no hurlers from any of my teams on that list. I think I did have a 15 game winner once or twice.

Maxie

Maxie: Thanks for your reply. I hope your computer is recovering from the virus.

I understand your reluctance to show others' teams, but the way I look at it, there are usually at least 11 other people who witnessed what the other team achieved, so it's hardly a secret. If you PMed those teams to me, I'd post them. Most people seem to be rather proud of their teams and rightfully so.

If you haven't read this thread for a few days, go back, as some people have edited their posts, most notably the Last Druid, who was kind enough to go back through his hundreds of teams and edited his original post 7 TIMES to show us a few of his many fine teams with 30 game winners or 4 20 game winners. Unlike some of the other top players, Druid has always been unselfish about sharing his teams and his vast knowledge of the game.

Thanks also to everyone who posted teams and multiple teams, most notably nomo4vers, ROBERTLATORRE, Badjam, treyomo, Sheikyerboudi and PJMB. Well done!

I haven't seen any teams with four 20 game winners that were all lefty. Anyone ever see that?

I'll be posting more than a hundred teams with 4 twenty game winners as time allows over the next few days, so keep watching.

I haven't seen any teams with four 20 game winners that were all lefty. Anyone ever see that?

BD, two of my near miss teams were all LHP's. I've got 3 or 4 core strategies that I gravitate towards in ATG, one is playing in Shea with an all lefty rotation and LH Sluggers. What I like about that approach is that there are less LH bombers in the ATG set so it gives my team an advantage if my AD goes well. When the AD doesn't go well, it's a 70 win team LOL! I don't play higher than $100m too often, I don't know how it would work in the $999m leagues.

Here are the near miss teams from my earlier post...SOOO close, two wins short in both.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/1024867
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/805770

If you PMed those teams to me, I'd post them.

PM sent.

From the online Strato record book:

44 (44-8) - Adams, Babe (1909), Hamburg Bulldogs http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/318238

36 (36-8) - Adams, Babe (1909), Buffalo Psych Center http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/297467

34 (34-10) - Walsh, Ed (1911), Lumberton Lumbermen http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/289871

33 (33-5) - Martinez, Pedro (1997), The Defense Rests http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/369520
(Treyomo posted this team earlier)

33 (33-7) - Chesbro, Jack (1904), New York Yankees http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/265549
(two 30 game winners, a 25 game winner and a 19 game winner on the same team in a franchise theme league)

Not everybody submits record setting performances to the record books, there may be more 30+ win seasons worthy of being in the record books. But how do you top 44 wins that Babe Adams got? According to the league stats, Babe made 111 relief appearances and no starts that season and had 31 saves with 12 blown saves. He was involved in a staggering 75 of his team's 100 wins and earned both the MVP and Cy Young award for his efforts! WOW!

Maxie Minoso sent me the following list of 30 game winners with the most wins in a season:

Adams, Babe (1909) R S8/R5 44 8 31
Henry, Bill (1959) L R4 41 13 18
Murray, Dale (1974) R R4 40 12 8
Murray, Dale (1974) R R4 37 5 25
Robinson, Hank (1915) L R5 36 11 25
Clemens, Roger (1997) R S8* 34 5 0
Martinez, Pedro (1999) R S7/R4 34 10 7
Miljus, Johnny (1927) R R5 34 13 13
Murray, Dale (1974) R R4 34 9 21
Murray, Dale (1974) R R4 34 11 18
Sutter, Bruce (1977) R R3 34 6 11
Sutter, Bruce (1977) R R3 34 12 11

I've made an Excel spreadsheet with all the 30+ game winners since ATG 6 began (mostly 80 & 100M leagues with a good amount of 140 M leagues.) Above are just those with 34+ season victories. I found it interesting the number of relievers in the mix.

All totaled, there are 147 30+ win seasons. That's out of 269,682 pitcher's seasons including relievers.
Maxie

Assuming 10 pitchers per team, based on the info that Maxie was kind enough to provide, that's 147 30 game winners for 26,968 teams Also, assuming one 30 game winner per team, that's one 30 game winner for roughly every 183.5 teams.

The following seasons from the record books (previously cited herein) should be added to Maxie's fine work:

36 (36-8) - Adams, Babe (1909), Buffalo Psych Center http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/297467
34 (34-10) - Walsh, Ed (1911), Lumberton Lumbermen http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/289871

It's interesting to note, that of the 14 total seasons of pitchers with 34 or more wins cited by Maxie and in the record books as noted above, 11 of the seasons were by relief pitchers. (I counted Adams as a relief pitcher, since he didn't make a single start in his 44 and 36 win seasons.) Of the relief pitchers above, Murray leads the way with 4 34 or more win seasons, while Sutter and Adams are second with 2. Only Walsh, Clemens and Martinez had 34 or more wins as starters, with one season each at 34 wins. In other words, there are 6 relief pitcher seasons with more wins than any starter has ever had and 5 more relief pitcher seasons that had just as many wins as a starter has ever had! Yikes!

No matter which side of the super reliever controversy you're on, I think it's safe to say that Strato NEVER INTENDED and NEVER FORESAW that's its failure to program rest requirements for relief pitchers, similar to rest requirements for starting pitchers, would result not only in relief pitchers winning 30 games, and as many as 44 games, but that relief pitchers would win 30 games more often than starting pitchers. Strato's solution was to stick it's head in the sand and ignore the situation, hoping that such unrealistic use of relief pitchers would go away if it incrementally raised the price on long endurance relief pitchers. That "solution" was a miserable failure. For a company that has long marketed its flagship product and prided itself on the alleged "statistical accuracy" of the baseball game, it is truly appalling that Strato would allow the super reliever option to continue for so long in the ATG series online game, while it has made an appropriate correction in the seasonal computer game to prevent overuse by relief pitchers.

OK, I'll get off my soap box. I'll have the frequency of teams with 4 twenty game winners, based on some older data, tomorrow.

Stay tuned. - Bernie

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/1118785

No matter which side of the super reliever controversy you're on, I think it's safe to say that Strato NEVER INTENDED and NEVER FORESAW that's its failure to program rest requirements for relief pitchers, similar to rest requirements for starting pitchers, would result not only in relief pitchers winning 30 games, and as many as 44 games, but that relief pitchers would win 30 games more often than starting pitchers. Strato's solution was to stick it's head in the sand and ignore the situation, hoping that such unrealistic use of relief pitchers would go away if it incrementally raised the price on long endurance relief pitchers. That "solution" was a miserable failure. For a company that has long marketed its flagship product and prided itself on the alleged "statistical accuracy" of the baseball game, it is truly appalling that Strato would allow the super reliever option to continue for so long in the ATG series online game, while it has made an appropriate correction in the seasonal computer game to prevent overuse by relief pitchers.

I know it's probably been said before, but wouldn't the first step be to reduce Murray to at least an R3 if not an R2 given his stats for 1974 (69.2 innings for 32 games pitched). How did he ever get to be an R4?

Bill

In late 2010, when TSN was the host site of online Strato, there was a forum topic about four 20 game winners. The link to that thread is below:

http://forum.onlinegames.strat-o-matic. ... 1b992ceadc

Although the thread was relatively short, less than 2 full pages, it had lots of good info. Below are a couple of my favorite posts from the thread:

It's really not all that rare, it depends on where you play and how you play your pitchers. Set your starters to slow hook, conservative relief usage and play somewhere like Polo 41 and you'll get alot of these.

I'll have to give Don's advice a try to see if it works. He Don, since it's so easy, how about posting some of those teams showing your theory in action?

It happens approximately once every 340 teams. Unless my math is wrong, in which case forget what I just wrote.

There are 59 different stadiums
(This list goes to 11!)
17 Polo Grounds '34
11 Griffith Stadium '41
11 Hilltop Park '11
8 Polo Grounds '41
6 Forbes Field '57
6 Griffith Stadium '24
5 Dunn Field '20
5 Griffith Stadium '11
5 Hunt. Ave. Grds '11
4 County Stadium '57
4 League Park '34

Out of 49,092 teams, I have found 145 with 4 20-game winners:

ADRIANGABRIEL

Kudos to Adrian for the above info. He posted links to all 145 teams, but the links to the teams don't work, as they are old TSN links. I'll start working on converting them, maybe 10 a day, so that we can see all the teams. Here are the converted links to the first 12 teams (one of the links to a Comiskey '19 team did not convert, so it is omitted):

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/2928 Arlington Stadium '77
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/272224 Braves Field '20
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/276953 Busch Stadium '78
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/18671 Candlestick Park '62
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/24866 Candlestick Park '62
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/281812 Cleveland Stadium '51
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/179523 Cleveland Stadium '57
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/229012 Comiskey Park '11
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/232123 Comiskey Park '11
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/26381 Comiskey Park '19
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/26464 Comiskey Park '19
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/292989 Comiskey Park '57

Note that Adrian stated that (on the old TSN site), four 20 game winners occurred once every 340 teams, while current data from MaxieMinoso, posted earlier in this thread, said that 30 game winners happened once every 183.5 teams. So it looks like four 20 game winners on the same team is more rare than having a 30 game winner.