Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

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FRANKMANSUETO

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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 1:10 pm

How difficult would it be to have option choices to form a league. Whether it would be by years/ cap size/ league size etc. This way a league can be created to fit the parameters of what we like. We already have some of that how hard can it be to add more choices?
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 1:19 pm

OK, so having started the thread, I should say how I voted. And thanks for all the comments about your votes and reasons for them.

I could easily have voted for ten players, but here goes:

1) Adrian Beltre
2) Yadier Molina
3) Buster Posey
--for reasons given by george b

4) Luis Gonzalez
--for reasons given by Druid
5) Maggilio Ordonez
--monster year and he helps in RF
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 1:25 pm

Remember Zach Greinke? Everyone gushed about him when we voted in our last 20 ATG's. I'm in 8 ATG 8 leagues and he's on the free agent list in 7 of them. You can say what you want about Ed Seward and Candy Cummings, but I can almost guarantee that they will have a higher usage rate than that. FYI - substitute Pat Hentgen for Greinke. No offence to anyone, but usage is the key component here - why nominate/vote someone in that is going to sit on the FA list? And who cares if a guy threw underhand, overhand or shot-putted the ball to home plate as long as the card is usable? Aren't we all, deep down inside, card counters? If you want to win you are.

-The Sheik
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 1:32 pm

I see what you're saying Sheik, and I understand your point.

Usage IS the key, but many of us utilize the player pool in different ways. I'm playing ATG for the history. If we are nothing but card-counters, then who cares about the history. I should make up my 11 year old Little League card.
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 1:37 pm

While I love the idea of adding players my question is...


Why can't they just add ALL of the players? It's only 40 guys and we asked for them. Why not every couple of months just ask for 40 guys and add them all?

Hate looking a gift horse in the mouth but c'mon guys...
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 2:26 pm

visick wrote:While I love the idea of adding players my question is...


Why can't they just add ALL of the players? It's only 40 guys and we asked for them. Why not every couple of months just ask for 40 guys and add them all?

Hate looking a gift horse in the mouth but c'mon guys...


I don't know...that extra round adds a bit of adrenaline and an extra filter.
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 2:29 pm

visick wrote:While I love the idea of adding players my question is...


Why can't they just add ALL of the players? It's only 40 guys and we asked for them. Why not every couple of months just ask for 40 guys and add them all?

Hate looking a gift horse in the mouth but c'mon guys...


Yes why Not........

Also call me naive...but my feelings are if they are still playing ie Keshaw...I don't want em just yet...just my 3 cents (inflation)
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 3:21 pm

I voted primarily based on franchise league considerations, although I also have a strong preference to avoid fluke seasons. I think this is likely a minority preference, but I'd rather have players 3rd or 4th best season included - so that it's reasonably representative of the player's career- but most nominations didn't go that way. If I recall correctly, I voted for Abreu, Rolen, Reyes, Ordonez and Molina.

That being said, I'd like to express concern about Ross Barnes's 1873 card, which if current voting trends hold on, will likely finish in the top 20. Baseball in 1873 was drastically different from even 10-15 years later-- batters could request high or low pitches, gloves were rudimentary, and umpires were not allowed to call strikes on the first pitch. Barnes, in particular, was known for exploiting a rule where a ball was in play if it first landed in fair territory, but then spun foul.

As a result, Barnes played in an offensive environment unlike anything we've seen. The league averaged 9 runs per game; Barnes's team averaged over 12. Strikeouts were very rare- the average team had less than 1 K per game, and Barnes had 2 strikeouts in 340 plate appearances. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NA/1873.shtml) There's no reason to think that Barnes would have been an elite player if he came around just a few years later. Beginning in 1877, when Barnes was age 27 and in the National League, he played in 168 games over the last 3 seasons of his career. He hit right around .270 each year with a league average OPS.

I don't know if Strat can adequately adjust for (1) the subpar quality of play in the National Association, or (2) the tremendous changes in rules, pitching techniques, and defense. But I don't particularly want to see Barnes with a 10 million dollar card based off of a very short season under drastically different playing conditions than all other cards in the set.
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 3:50 pm

I use Greinke, and I'm all about winning. ;)
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Re: Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

PostSat Mar 21, 2015 5:33 pm

We get a bonus 21st card this time around due to player error in the last set correct? Want to say it's Keeler's best card maybe?
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