Negro Leagues vs MLB *NeL Draft*

Negro Leagues vs MLB
1920 – 1955
120 mil / no DH / 5-10-20

League will be made up of 6 Negro League teams (see below) and 6 MLB teams. All NeL players are eligible and only those MLB players that have a card from 1920 – 1955 are eligible. The card used must be in that range as well.

120 million should be enough to include all the NeL players and limit the MLB teams enough to provide a competitive league. But as always open for discussion.

There are roughly 108 unique players in the ATG set, 72 hitters and 36 pitchers (a few do both). Obviously not quite enough to field the 6 teams mentioned above. So a couple of adds to the set…

1) I researched and added almost all the players that have a card in ATG and played in the Negro Leagues as well. That list includes the following players and eligible cards. All the eligible cards are ‘55 and before EXCEPT Thurman’s and Newcombe’s. Thurman’s ‘57 card is a bit more playable so thought it should be included and Newcombe becomes a top line starter by using his ‘56. Also the ONLY card I left out that has Negro League experience is Connie Johnson. My feeling was whichever team ended up with him might be at a disadvantage due to his S6 rating and 1.48 whip if you had to use him in the rotation. But open to discussion.
1. Willie Mays – 54, 55
2. Hank Aaron - 55
3. Monte Irvin - 54
4. Roy Campanella - ALL
5. Jackie Robinson - ALL
6. Don Newcombe - ALL
7. Jim Gilliam - 53
8. Minnie Minoso - 55
9. Hank Thompson – 54
10. Ernie Banks - 55
11. Bob Thurman - ALL
2) We will need to add reserves/back ups from the MLB cards.

The intent is that all your SP’s, starting lineup, front line bench and top relievers are from the NeL cards. Once we get our managers we can decide the best approach.

The Negro League teams
Again a little research and I believe I have a decent idea who played where. So I’m assigning 3 players (2 hitters and 1 pitcher) to each club with a group of 4 others to choose from to round out the initial 4 spots on the rosters. There are a few cases where a club is underrepresented, like the Pittsburgh Crawfords and Chicago American Giants, so I placed some top guys with them that from what I can tell didn’t play there.

After each club has their 4 franchised guys we draft on the boards until all the NeL cards are taken. Draft order will be explained below as it will make more sense with context.

Kansas City Monarchs
Stadiums - Muehlebach Fld or Ruppert Stadium
Assigned Players – 28.37
Satchel Paige – 9.41
Turkey Sternes – 10.41
Willard Brown – 8.55

Choose one:
Ernie Banks – 8.48
Bullet Joe Rogan – 7.86/6.33
Cool Papa Bell – 6.55
Hilton Smith – 5.69

Pittsburgh Crawfords
Stadium - Greenlee Field
Assigned Players – 28.1
Oscar Charleston – 12.89
Wild Bill Wright – 8.18
Leroy Matlock – 7.04

Choose one:
Roy Campanella – 7.51
Rap Dixon – 6.82
Dick Redding – 6.04
William Bell – 5.51

Homestead Grays
Stadium - Forbes ’41, Greenlee Field, Griffith Stadium ’41 or Griffith NeL
Assigned Players – 29.9
Josh Gibson – 13.47
Martin Dihigo – 9.32
Smokey Joe Williams – 7.05

Choose one:
Jud Wilson – 8.14
Buck Leonard – 7.95
Tubby Scales – 6.51
Webster McDonald – 5.67

Newark Eagles
Staduium - Ruppert Stadium
Assigned Players – 26.0
Willie Wells – 10.03
Mule Suttles – 8.03
Max Manning – 7.94

Choose one:
Larry Doby – 7.58
Don Newcombe – 7.33
Bill Mackey – 6.97
Leon Day – 6.25

Chicago American Giants
Stadium - South Side Park NeL or Comiskey ‘41
Assigned Players – 25.73
John Beckwith – 9.81
Chino Smith – 9.18
Big Bill Foster – 6.74

Choose one:
Pete Hill – 6.92
Superman Pennington – 6.8
Dave Brown – 5.87
Ray Brown – 5.62

6th Team
Composite of players so no name assigned. Pick one from the many other Negro League teams. Happy to list out a few if you need some suggestions.
Stadium – Choice of any NeL EXCEPT Cath Prep Oval, Mack Park or Stars Park
Assigned Players – 26.41
Willie Mays – 10.83
Slim Jones – 8.09
Pop Lloyd – 7.49

Choose one:
Jackie Robinson – 7.69
Nip Winters – 7.38
Oscar Heavy Johnson – 7.15
Ted Trent – 5.48

The MLB teams
So far only one player above 10 mil. Other restrictions will depend on how the NeL teams shape up.

Relievers eligible: all 121 unique RP 2.73 mil and down. These relievers will be drafted with the bench players AFTER the initial draft for the starters.

Bench position player parameters: Two players below 1.5 mil allowed. The remaining bench guys must average over 3 mil before opening day. I will check all rosters ahead of the first games to give everyone time to make adjustments if needed. Remember you only need to carry 24 after the auto draft players are added.

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Timestamp: 2015-04-18 19:27:37 UTC

and franchise draft rank is as follows:
1. nels52
2. Musial6
3. Reggie reigns
4. Andycummings65
5. rburgh
6. CTStough
7. Rosie2167
8. lanier64
9. tomwistar
10. Modmark
11. BDWard
12. bontomn

By rank choose NeL or MLB, nels52 you’re up…
• If NeL also choose your Franchise and message me your choice from the list of additional players assigned to your Franchise.
• If MLB choose your Franchise player, the one guy over $10 mil on your roster.

We will then run two drafts on the boards in parallel
• The NeL draft order will be determined by the total salary of your assigned players. Draft will exhaust all eligible NeL players. A couple of teams will have to pick up a MLB position player, which must be below 1.5 mil.
• MLB teams will draft in reverse order of franchise draft rank and will draft five SP’s and all position players (starters and bench)

Once the above is completed we’ll run one combined draft for relievers. I’ll get another randomizer run for the relievers draft.

Speak up now with any potential challenges or items I might’ve overlooked.
Let’s go!

Hey I'll take the Kansas City Monarchs!

A fitting start...nels go ahead and message me your additional player

1. nels52 - KC Monarchs
2. Musial6
3. Reggie reigns
4. Andycummings65
5. rburgh
6. CTStough
7. Rosie2167
8. lanier64
9. tomwistar
10. Modmark
11. BDWard
12. bontomn

So if I pick MLB team I can have my pick of Ruth, Hornsby, Foxx, etal - anyone who has a card from 1920 to 1955 on this first pick?

Rosie: There are a few things you might want to consider with this league:

1. Wikipedia has a list of Negro League baseball players that includes SOM ATG8 MLB players not on your list. They are:

Al Smith (1946-48)
Lou Johnson (1955)
George Altman (1955)
Larry Doby (1942-46)
Elston Howard (1948-1950)
the years in parenthesis represent the seasons played in the NeL.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ne ... ll_players

Perhaps you should consider adding the above players to those playing on NeL teams, especially since they are more likely to be drafted if assigned to a NeL team than if playing for a MLB team.

2. The top 20 individual NeL SP* range in price from Satchel Paige at $9.41 mil to Bill Drake at $3.46 mil (I counted players with two pitching cards just once and I counted Rogan and Dihigo among hitters). The top 10 NeL SP (5 day starters) range in price from Slim Jone at $8.09 mil to Rube Foster at $2.63 mil (counting Mendez once as a pitcher, Radcliffe as a pitcher, Leon Day as a SP* and Dihigo and Rogan as hitters). It seems to me that NeL starting pitching is a little thin for a $120 mil cap, even with no DH. Also, there are no $0.5 mil SP among NeL players, putting such teams at a competitive disadvantage to the MLB teams that can spend $0.50 mil on a never used 5th starter, while NeL teams may have to spend more than $2 mil on such, meaning that there will be less money to spend on other postitions. I suggest that NeL teams be allowed to draft a $0.50 mil 5th starter from MLB to level the playing field.

3. Presently, the rules call for ATG6, $120 mil, no DH, 5-10-20 and a live draft. I suggest a frenzy, since, teams will be completed with drafted players, unlike the autodraft, where missed picks get (often unwanted) consolation picks

4. Player parameters:
a. All MLB Players must be carded for the years 1920 to 1955, except for those assigned to the NeL, which are limited to the years assigned.
b. MLB team are allowed only 1 player at $10 mil or above;
c. Relief pitchers must cost $2.73 mil or less;
d, Bench players: Two players below $1.5 mil allowed. The remaining bench guys must average over $3 mil. .

5. A 25 round draft will take FOREVER on the ILC board, especially since there is no clock and no proxies to keep the draft moving, and it will be difficult to track all picks. After the NeL teams make their fourth player pick and the MLB teams pick their franchise player on this ILC thread, I suggest that the entire draft be moved to Diamond Dope, with the NeL teams using their first 4 picks for their assigned players and with the MLB teams using their 1st pick for their franchise player and drafting players within the above parameters thereafter, with the exception that no relief pitchers can be drafted in rounds 1-4. Although the cap in this league is $120 mil, the cap on the DD draft will have to be set at $140 mil, since DD has no intermittent caps, and it will be up to each manager to track his own cap compliance. Alternatively, we could do a partial DD draft for a limited number of rounds (15 perhaps?) and use autodraft for the the rest of the players to speed things up.

6. It seems as though the NeL teams will have unique stadiums. Should MLB teams have unique stadiums also? If so, should they be drafted within this thread and should they fall within the 1920-1955 year range?

7. Will divisions be randomly assigned or will there be two NeL teams and two MLB teams in each division. I suggest two of each team in each division.

Rosie, please give the above items some thought and let us know what you think. - Bernie

Musial - Yes that's correct.

Bernie - reviewing your post...back soon

With apologies to my screen-name sake, have to go with the Babe, the Bambino, The Sultan of Swat, The Babester, the Baborino, The King of Swing (or was that Benny Goodman?)


1. nels52 - KC Monarchs
2. Musial6 - MLB - Babe Ruth
3. Reggie reigns
4. Andycummings65
5. rburgh
6. CTStough
7. Rosie2167
8. lanier64
9. tomwistar
10. Modmark
11. BDWard
12. bontomn

Is that how this works?

Bernie thanks for leaning on and providing your feedback

Edited list of NeL players eligible
1. Willie Mays – 54, 55
2. Hank Aaron – 55
3. Monte Irvin – 54
4. Roy Campanella – ALL
5. Jackie Robinson – ALL
6. Don Newcombe – ALL
7. Jim Gilliam – 53
8. Minnie Minoso – 55
9. Hank Thompson – 54
10. Ernie Banks – 55
11. Bob Thurman – ALL
12. Larry Doby – ALL (I listed him as an optional choice on the Newark Eagles but left him off this list somehow)
13. Al E. Smith – 54 (whiffed on him)

The three others mentioned all have SOM cards later than the ’55 cut off I used and is the reason I left them off. Sorry shoud’ve given my reasoning. I listed their SOM cards below.
Lou Johnson – ’65, 1.36mil
George Altman – ’59, .54mil & ’63, .73mil
Elston Howard – ’56, .96 mil, ’61, 6.98 mil, ’62, 3.48 mil & ’67, .50 mil

The only impact player is Howard but not until ’61. Originally I didn’t want to bleed into the 60’s and have to consider the other Mays and Aaron cards. But open to the concept if the other owners feel strongly.

2. Regarding the 5th SP, I’d like to go the other way and require that the 5th SP on the MLB teams be no less than $3 mil. As a side effect this expands the pool of relievers slightly but the NeL teams already have that aspect.

3. Frenzy yes. I’ll set it up accordingly

4. Player parameters:
a. All MLB Players must be carded for the years 1920 to 1955, except for those assigned to the NeL, which are limited to the years assigned.
b. MLB team are allowed only 1 player at $10 mil or above;
c. Relief pitchers must cost $2.73 mil or less;
d. Bench players: Two players below $1.5 mil allowed. The remaining bench guys must average over $3 mil.
e. 5th SP on MLB teams must be greater than $3 mil.

5. Draft – let’s get the franchises assigned and discuss the draft protocol.

6. Stadiums, Yes on unique for MLB as well. We can draft those immediately after the franchises are chosen

7. Divisions – two per division is the right way to go. We’ll coordinate the div loading.

Thanks again Bernie
All - thoughts on the above?
R

Musial with the surprise pick!

The Babe was a true barnstormer!!