2nd Baseman Question

The league I cited earlier
Team with Dozier - record 80-52 1st place
Team with Cano - record 80-52 1st place
Team with Altuve- record 64-68 3rd place
Mine with Phillips/SRod 76-56 2nd place -wild card leader

Scumby, are you actually positing the anecdotal evidence of one league with each individual 2nd baseman as evidence of their respective values? I'm a Humanities guy, and even I know that's far from sufficient statistical/evidentiary support.

No, I.strether, my post has nothing to do with "value". My post is only to show how everything is relative. I believe Dozier is not a good value. His OBA is from walks while Altuve is from singles. Also Altuve will steal 40-50 bases.

No, I.strether, my post has nothing to do with "value". My post is only to show how everything is relative. I believe Dozier is not a good value. His OBA is from walks while Altuve is from singles. Also Altuve will steal 40-50 bases.

Your post didn't show how everything is relative in any way. It also didn't show the values of the second basemen you claimed it did. It merely showed how individual teams of yours did in separate singular seasons with different members of that group.

I looked up at 14 seasons from SOM-online. Didn't check whether it was 200M, 80M, or theme leagues: I was only looking to full season stats. So these values below are drawn "empirically".

Altuve was picked in all 14 seasons. Same for Cano, and Dozier was picked up in 7 seasons.

Average ballpark ratings
Altuve: single 8.1 homerun 7.4
Cano: single 8.0 homerun 8.4
Dozier: single 7.6 homerun 11.1

Average OPS
Altuve .776
Cano .774
Dozier .687

Total offensive seasonal Runs Created (includes steals, cs, but not adjusted for plate appearances---so players at the top of the lineup are giving an advantage here)

Altuve 88.7 RC (range: 67-121)
Cano 84.6 RC (range:70-104)
Dozier 78.5 RC (range: 56-94)
(for partial seasons, I made an adjustment to project the data as it was from a full season--it happened once for Altuve and once for Dozier---presumably because they were dropped off during the course of the season)

Total overall Runs Created (includes an adjustment for defensive flaws--hits and errors allowed, and not turning double-plays)

Altuve 66.0 RC (range: 42-97)
Cano: 69.5 RC (range: 55-87)
Dozier 69.6 RC (range: 47-84)

Total individual value-stadium adjusted (adjusted for plate appearances, stadium ratings)
Actually, I only adjusted for homeruns, I didn't consider singles---a small disadvantage for Dozier)

Altuve 6.4 wins (range 4.2-9.3)
Cano: 7.3 wins (range 6.2-9.2)
Dozier: 7.2 wins (range 5.4-8.3)

So a slight edge to Cano at the very end.

Actual team performances for which they played
Altuve .479 (roughly 78-84)
Cano .491 (roughly 80-82)
Dozier .527 (roughly 85-77)
...and one of Dozier's team is under 60 wins (the other teams have a winning pct of .551). Only one team of 14 I surveyed with Altuve on finished over 90 wins.

Love the analysis Marc...I'd still take Panik over any of them for the money. No study on him? He's one of my favs of this set!

Love the analysis Marc...I'd still take Panik over any of them for the money. No study on him? He's one of my favs of this set!

The original poster only asked about those three, that'd be my guess as to why no Panik.

in your park.....take Neil Walker