NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostSun May 10, 2015 6:39 pm

Well, a little disappointed that I only got one comment after posting the ratings.

Here are the park-by-park ratings: http://www.angelfire.com/games5/joethejet/nld38.pdf (you may have to copy and paste to view)

Nothing too different than the ratings. Big A has a great rating in almost all parks. Stoney is dominant at home, a bit surprising he hasn't been better there. Not as surprising that he has struggled on the road.

MG is also very good at home which jives with his record. Maybe surprising that he's over .500 on the road however. Although he's about 50/50 in terms of ratings on the road.

In reading this rating, red is good for the team in the row, green is good for the team in the column. So I'm better against everyone at home except for a tie v Big A and I'm worse on the road against Big A and Stoney.
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostSun May 10, 2015 10:59 pm

Luck Factor results. Not too surprising, but maybe a couple surprises. Yes, GB is lucky and yes JTJ is unlucky, but Spider has been more lucky and Semper more unlucky.

GB's luck in one runners has been well chronicled, but he's under rolling on his cards. Spider it up in HR diff, rolling on his cards and in terms of Errors leading to runs. Nobody else is particularly lucky.

As for unlucky, Semper has rolled an incredible 49% fewer BPHRS in terms of percentage. That's just incredible. :shock: He's also unuckly in one runners, but lucky in singles. Interestingly enough his pythag is dead-on. JTJ has sucked in one run and pythag, but has been lucky with BPSI.

The other 8 teams are pretty balanced with their luck.

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Mgr....   W   SI   HR   1-R   Pyt Rolls UE/E   Inj   Luck Fctr
Spider.   54   4%   8%   -3   0   2.2%   38%   18     3.5
Gbrooke   60   3%   -4%   22   10   -1.6%   73%   29   3
MG.....   43   -3%   -2%   4   -3   -0.4%   58%   -69   1
Smokey.   51   0%   -4%   1     0   1.6%   49%     5   1
Stoney.   55   -2%   -4%   3   3   0.2%   63%   -37   1
zim....   45   13%   0%   1   1   -0.3%   56%   -24   0.5
Hawk...   54   8%   7%   -9   4   -0.1%   67%   -56   0
BigA...   55   -5%   3%   -2   -1   0.5%   49%   -3   0
Dale...   50   -7%   -3%   -4   -3   -1.2%   40% -61   -1
AT.....   53   -11%   -9%   6   4   -1.1%       -16   -1
JTJ....   51   13%   -3%   -10   -6   0.2%   59%   -2   -3
Semper.   59   13%   -49%   -10   0   0.9%   56%   2   -4.5
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostMon May 11, 2015 8:55 am

Joe... I would comment... But honestly, I don't know how to read the ratings... Lol
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostMon May 11, 2015 10:45 am

I really like this "luck" evaluation. I would make one change to the table - having to do with the "pythag" column. I think "pythag" should be adjusted for 1/2 of the 1-run number. So, for example, Geoff's adjusted pythag would be -1 (+10-.5*22). My pythag would be adjusted to +1.5 (giving me a total luck of 4). With this adjustment, many of the pythag numbers are closer to even.

I clearly think the dice have been favorable to my team.

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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostMon May 11, 2015 4:06 pm

MG,

Ask questions. Really they are just numbers representing the number of bases gained or lost. But really matters is how they compare and how they jive with what you think. That's what makes it fun to talk about. :)

Spider: Not sure why we sould do that. One runs and pythag don't always (although frequently) go hand-in-hand so I'm not sure I follow your logic.

Forgot to put up the Fielding comparison. Nothing to really not here. Everyone is very close to expected in these ratings.

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Fieldng   FRt   Rtg   F%   Dif   
BigAlrc   -11   1   1   0   C
Spider.   233   4   3   1   W
Dale...   397   6   5   1   E
Stoney.   418   6   6   0   W
JoeTJet   452   7   6   1   E
nythawk   484   7   7   0   C
Gbrooke   508   8   8   0   W
Smokey.   541   8   8   0   E
SemperG   558   8   9   -1   W
Zim....   582   9   9   0   C
ArrylTr   640   10   9   1   E
MG.....   754   12   11   1   C


It should also be noted that we won a one run game last night. Thank God for Semper! He's actually worse at one run games than I am! :shock: :o
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostWed May 13, 2015 1:21 am

Unbelievable, lost TWO more one runners to Moose. Friggin stupid. It's so frustrating to lose sooo f-ing many one run games.

First game we blow a 3-0 lead in the 8th with Cueto on the mound and lose in 10. That "stud" Shoemaker has a better ERA than Cueto playing in a high single park. Okaaaaay.

Game two we leave 10 OB including the tying run at 2b in the 9th. At least we lost by two. :roll: His game winning inning featured 7 straight rolls, five for hits on his card.

Game three, we blow a 2-0 lead and L Martin (171 in the clutch on his card) gets a 2 out hit in the 8th for the game winner. Actually we were lucky to even be in that one since we hit 2 1-4 HRs. You'd figure you'd win a game like that but...... I guess not. :mad: :cry:

This game just sucks. We have the second best run differential but we're three below .500. What are you going to do?
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostWed May 13, 2015 7:28 am

JTJ,

My logic for adjusting Pythag by 1/2 of 1-run "luck" is that I think you are double-counting that factor. As a check against that, I ran 13 of my recent leagues (3 NDLs included). For each league I summed the absolute value of differences for Pythag before and after adjusting for 1/2 of 1-run deltas. Here are the results:

League -------- Pythag -- Adjusted Pythag -- % Reduction

NLD 37 ------- 32 -- 25 -- 22%
NLD XXXVI -- 32 -- 55 -- -72%
NLD 35 ------- 41 -- 40 -- 2%
Mystery 90s -- 37 -- 30 -- 19%
Mystery 80s -- 25 -- 25 -- 0%
Mystery 70s -- 52 -- 37 -- 29%
Mystery 60s -- 31 -- 22 -- 29%
PC Ev 5 Lg 7 --- 46 -- 31 -- 33%
PC Ev 5 Lg 1 --- 50 -- 32 -- 36%
PC Ev 4 Lg 8 --- 27 -- 32 -- -19%
PC Ev 3 Lg 2 --- 43 -- 33 -- 23%
PC Ev 2 Lg 3 --- 62 -- 49 -- 21%
PC Ev 1 Lg 5 --- 39 -- 41 -- -5%

Total 13 Lgs -- 517 -- 452 -- 13%

Three of the leagues have less than a 10% impact in either direction, 2 leagues actually increased the pytag delta by more than 10% and 8 leagues lowered the delta by more than 10%. The NDL XXXVI is a huge outlier. I haven't run a reqression on the data to see how the slope and r-square look. Anthing, I think it's worth considering.

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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostWed May 13, 2015 9:31 pm

The park-by-park ratings are very interesting. They show how some teams calculated as weaker overall still may match up well against some teams predicted to be stronger overall. .

The two low-rated teams are interesting. AT seems to be easily outperforming JTJs prediction. No surprise with Dale's predicted problems, since he's given away almost $10 million in salary.

BigA is performing in line with the predictions, but MG, Smokey and Geoff are blowing away the ratings. It will be fun to check back in a week or so.
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostThu May 14, 2015 2:05 pm

joethejet wrote:
Spider 67 wrote:Lost another 1-runner last night - to Geoff - SURPRISE! Geoff is now up 20 in that category.

Except for Semper and BiA, records fall nicely close to the Pythag adjusted for half of the 1-run difference.


And I'm down 10 after last night. Man this team is a bunch of chokers. Left 19 on in the last two games that I lost.


Joe, I'm not saying that what I'm about to say is right. I'm just tossing it out as a theory to debate. (By the way, I haven't been able to start my analysis yet).

And I need to say that my record in 1 run and XI games definitely includes a huge amount of luck.

But if I allow for a large amount of luck, is it possible that there is still something in the makeup of this Moose team that has some late game advantages? I'm not talking about specific games (yet), but just an overall idea that makes for a better than average performance in close, late games. (As an aside, my last team, the Mooseheads, had a good record in 1 run games - 34-22, but were 10-15 in extra innings games).

So here's a theory - or a couple of theories:

First, we're all under a salary cap. So the money we spend goes to different things. You could summarize it by Starters, Reliever/closers, batting, speed, arms, and fielding.

In modern baseball, even in strat, you don't usually have your starting pitcher still going in the 9th inning and extra innings. There are still some complete games, but they are becoming a low percentage of overall games.

So, if the starting pitcher isn't in the game, then the dollars that you spend on a SP are no longer working for you on the field at that moment in the game.

If you're lucky enough to be tied or close, late in a game (lucky because you had a deficit vs. your opponent when comparing SPs), then theoretically you should have more $ working for you on the field late in the game. Theoretically that should translate into an advantage at that point in the game. Hence, perhaps over a large number of close games, it could be a slight advantage in converting close games into wins. (Whether or not you get to that close, late game after beginning the game with a SP deficit is a different issue, which I'm abstracting away from for the moment).

Second - I have a hunch - and that's all it is - that Hal might actually build game situations into his baserunning decisions. Hal still makes baserunning "mistakes" in game situations, but my anecdotal observations are that I don't recall seeing strategic baserunning mistakes occurring as often in the last 2 years. (We used to see them being made often by Hal). My hunch is that baserunning (net of opposition arms) can be a factor in 1 run games - especially in singles ballparks, where there are relatively more baserunners to send. If there are baserunning situations in close games, it's possible that the ability to get a runner home from a distant scoring position could be a strategic advantage in close games. I have no idea at this point whether that will be borne out, or disproved, by my review of my own close games. It's something that I'll be interested to test with the data. By the way, my previous studies on baserunning suggest to me that only a small fraction of ballpark singles result in extra baserunning possibilities - most are treated by the game engine as SI* results, with no extra baserunning. But even the fact that there is a higher batting average and OB% in a singles park could help to maximize this effect in a late, close game. Putting this second point simply - does Hal get more aggressive in sending runners when there is the possibility for the extra base to be the game winning (or game tying) run, or is it just the same as all game situations? Or, does the enhanced ability to take an extra base provide an inherent increase in your chances to score the game winning (or game tying) run, just by its nature? Is the advantage of that enhanced ability magnified in a close, late game? I think that some of these answers might be "yes".

Thirdly, is the advantage of a homerun-oriented offense less effective in a late, close game, compared to a singles oriented offense? Part of the advantage of a homerun-oriented offense is that you can score multiple runs with one swing of the bat. But in extra innings, that advantage is moot, most of the time, since you only need ONE run to win the game. The only advantage of multiple runs is when your opponent also scores in the same inning. So, is there an inherent advantage to a singles-oriented offense in a late, close game, when only one run is needed, most of the time? In other words, a singles-oriented offense might score an average of 4 runs a game, but it's based on a higher probability of scoring at least one run. By comparison, a homerun oriented offense might score 4 runs a game on average, but it has a higher probability of scoring multiple runs in one inning. But the homerun offense might have a lower probability of scoring at least one run, when compared to the singles-oriented offense. (There are theories that I haven't proven - this assumption needs to be tested). If this theory about probabilities of scoring at least one run are accurate, then a singles-oriented offense would have an advantage in extra innings, due to its (assumed) higher probability of scoring at least one run in an inning.

I'm tossing these out to the group right now as possible theories, to generate some discussion. I hope to gain some insights into this by studying the close games.
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Re: NLD 38 - Opening Day Season

PostThu May 14, 2015 2:31 pm

interesting.

I feel like the power teams do not lose their advantage in the late inning games and especially xtra innings games. i base this on the supposition they could win a "late" game with one favorable roll. Batting average teams would need at least two favorable rolls that occurred before three outs happen.

I also feel like the SP money plays still because it plays such a large part in the runs scored by your opponents.

just trying to get in on the dialog. some of the math concepts you guys are employing i can grasp but are above my level of proficiency.


JTJ,

thanks for the ratings brother. i know its time consuming. ive been slammed at work. barely keeping up with life much less strat.
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