Starli... Silly ratings guide quibling

Just because you said it doesn't make it true. It's just your opinion.

Like Scumby said, it's a time saver. I can count the cards and record the information on them and many players do. I don't have that time so I buy the ratings disk.

Totally agree. Its simple math (probability) to compute what the ratings guide provides and to get in a spreadsheet format to merge with other things helps evaluate players.


What else does the rating guide provide that you could not compute yourself?

If you count the cards incorrectly, that's your problem.

Ratings guide do not give an edge, everthing included can be manually computed.

P.s. If you want to consider yourself a better manager than me, fine. Firstly, it is irrelevant to our discussion. Secondly, you and I have only played in three leagues together, and you did so with help from a ratings guide and I did so without using one. So, such a comparison would be both premature and inapt.

My interpretation of this is that you do have a problem with the use of a ratings guide. Otherwise, you would not have stated what you did.

Like Scumby said, it's a time saver. I can count the cards and record the information on them and many players do. I don't have that time so I buy the ratings disk.
Totally agree. Its simple math (probability) to compute what the ratings guide provides and to get in a spreadsheet format to merge with other things helps evaluate players.

What else does the rating guide provide that you could not compute yourself?
If you count the cards incorrectly, that's your problem.
Ratings guide do not give an edge, everthing included can be manually computed.

Since you didn't address my post that answered all these questions, I'll say it again. "Time savers" are those that save time on mundane activities of workable time lengths. Ratings guides do much more than that. Considering almost none of us, including myself, have even close to the time necessary to actually count out every card on the set. So, the ratings guides give their user information they most likely never would have gotten without them. And, as I said before, counting out the cards doesn't guarantee one would count them out correctly.

Your acknowledging people might not count them out correctly perfectly supports my point. The ratings guide provide a service guaranteeing they'll be counted out correctly for those who can't...even though very few of us have the time to count out a whole set.

So, the ratings guide do give helpful, vital information that give their users an edge they most likely wouldn't have had without them. I don't know why people who actually pay for that edge try to say they didn't. I'm not saying it's unfair in anyway. Let's get back to Starlin Castro.

My interpretation of this is that you do have a problem with the use of a ratings guide. Otherwise, you would not have stated what you did.

Everyone is entitled to their interpretations, Dave. Now, let's get back to Starlin Castro.

And another thread goes down the l.drain

Sorry, I know this is off-topic. One more question (to anyone in general). If you know/think it gives you an advantage, why would you not use it? Other than not being able to afford it (which certainly may apply to some people, although it is far less than the cost of one regularly priced team), I can't see any.

Like Scumby said, it's a time saver. I can count the cards and record the information on them and many players do. I don't have that time so I buy the ratings disk.
Totally agree. Its simple math (probability) to compute what the ratings guide provides and to get in a spreadsheet format to merge with other things helps evaluate players.

What else does the rating guide provide that you could not compute yourself?
If you count the cards incorrectly, that's your problem.
Ratings guide do not give an edge, everthing included can be manually computed.

Since you didn't address my post that answered all these questions, I'll say it again. "Time savers" are those that save time on mundane activities of workable time lengths. Ratings guides do much more than that. Considering almost none of us, including myself, have even close to the time necessary to actually count out every card on the set. So, the ratings guides give their user information they most likely never would have gotten without them. And, as I said before, counting out the cards doesn't guarantee one would count them out correctly.

Your acknowledging people might not count them out correctly perfectly supports my point. The ratings guide provide a service guaranteeing they'll be counted out correctly for those who can't...even though very few of us have the time to count out a whole set.

So, the ratings guide do give helpful, vital information that give their users an edge they most likely wouldn't have had without them. I don't know why people who actually pay for that edge try to say they didn't. I'm not saying it's unfair in anyway. Let's get back to Starlin Castro.

Where is there an edge in the ratings guide? Everything in there can be calculated manually. The cards give same information and more, if you cannot compute them yourself, take a course on probability. I suspect most experienced managers who purchase the ratings guide could compute the same information that is in them.

P.s. If you want to consider yourself a better manager than me, fine. Firstly, it is irrelevant to our discussion. Secondly, you and I have only played in three leagues together, and you did so with help from a ratings guide and I did so without using one. So, such a comparison would be both premature and inapt.

Why is this premature and inapt? You provide no reasoning for it. Your implying an advantage with ratings guide.

Sorry, I know this is off-topic. One more question (to anyone in general). If you know/think it gives you an advantage, why would you not use it? Other than not being able to afford it (which certainly may apply to some people, although it is far less than the cost of one regularly priced team), I can't see any.

I enjoy reading the cards myself, looking for patterns, and doing my best to discern the best cards and--for SOM online--the best values. That's always been a favorite part of SOM for me, as well as a skill which I've always valued and admired... and I would never give that up.

Dave, I've already addressed and countered everything you said, as well as answered your questions, in my previous posts. Let's move on to Starlin Castro.

If a player card has one BP HR on a roll of 12 in a column then in the ratings guide that is listed as 1.0 BPHR. It is not an advantage to use the ratings guide to find that out vs counting the 1 chance on the card (or just looking at the card and not counting the 1 as someone refuses to admit he counted the 1 chance, he only looked at the card).

So the ratings guide simply lists in numeric form what is on the card itself. You can look the player up in the guide, count the card, or just "look" at the card and come to the same conclusion in all three ways. No advantage to reading it in a guide, counting the card or from looking at the card. Same conclusion no matter how you do it.

Some may want to feel superior in winning a league over others that may have a guide. That is their right to do so. Personally I don't use the guide but I don't care if others do or don't. Winning a league is not as simple as owning a ratings guide. For one thing the guide doesn't tell you what players to choose. You still have to factor in salary, defense, bunting, injury factor and many other things to comprise a quality team.