2015 Tour Debrief

Strether,

To clear the record on your incorrect (as you so often are) statement, I never criticized gbrookes or his point system with regard to that particular tour EVER. My posts were made in a thread soliciting responses at his request to improving the following year's tour. I never "actively criticized him" as your nonsense states. It was never personal and I resent your crappy implication that it ever was. Once again your dim-witted half-truths are purposefully misleading. Knock it off.

To clear the record on your incorrect (as you so often are) statement, I never criticized gbrookes or his point system with regard to that particular tour EVER. My posts were made in a thread soliciting responses at his request to improving the following year's tour. I never "actively criticized him" as your nonsense states. It was never personal and I resent your crappy implication that it ever was. Once again your dim-witted half-truths are purposefully misleading. Knock it off.

Actually, J-Pav, this is another case of your being incorrect, as you often are. I never said you criticized GBrookes personally, so I resent your crappy implication I did. So, the only "dim-witted half truths" are yours. Here's where you clearly disagreed with and criticized GBrookes' plan to keep playoff points:

But, J-Pav, with this logic, why do they have any playoffs in professional sport in real life?
Answer, because it's a fun way to determine the winner. More fun than just declaring the regular season winner as the overall winner.

Where in professional sports are playoffs organized around teams having the most fun? What we are doing has nothing to do with real life baseball playoffs. Also, how did we leap to "just declaring the regular season winner as the overall winner." I've never suggested anything remotely close to that.

I get the main point. I can live with the conclusion in a "relative" way. I like my proposal better as a compromise. Otherwise, no playoffs will mean a darn thing until the final.

Where in professional sports are "bonus points" added to the standings? And what does "no playoffs will mean a darn thing until the final" mean??

I'm proposing to essentially cut the playoff bonus points in half, near enough. I think that goes a long way to addressing your concerns. I really hope you can live with that, as a compromise solution. Please give it some thought. I like my idea (obviously), and I'd like to go with that. Please give it some more thought.

I don't need to give it more thought. The thread is called "Suggestions for the 2014 PC Tournament." I had a suggestion and I've stated my case. It would be nice if some other people chimed in, besides us going back and forth. I'm not trying to hold court and I'm not trying to win anyone over. I just had a suggestion for making the tournament more competitive. As commissioner I guess you're the final arbiter now anyway.

Truth hurts, huh?

See the doctor. He really needs to double your dosage. Whatever you're currently taking isn't getting it done.

And for the love of HAL, get yourself a Ratings Guide!

You mean the doctor who is still treating you for that brutal overdose of the truth? No, thanks...

I like the current system for awarding points.

To me the initial events are basically qualifying rounds to get into finals. I feel that consistency over multiple events shows the strengths of the manager in building a team for their ballpark and competing within the division/league that they are in.

I agree with freeman that the SOM playoffs are a bit of a crap shoot and that we do as a manager can only control so much towards the outcome. It is a dice game after all.

Strether, you do not need to respond and debunk my points. We all know your point of view and saying it over and over again doesn't make yours right and others wrong.

I like it too. The only championship that matters is the Finals. The reward for making the playoffs in the Semi Finals is a spot in the Finals. The other events are to determine the 36 Semi Finalists. Awarding bonus points mostly helps those already in the upper half.

Just adding another vote for the current point system in which an owner gets an extra point for each playoff win.

I am surprised at some of the comments regarding people not sitting injury-prone players after having clinched a division title in the Players Championship leagues. I might keep them in longer in the tournament than I would otherwise (e.g., sit them with just three games to go rather than as soon as I clinch), but I still think the right strategy is to make some effort to keep injury-prone guys healthy for the playoffs.

In addition to the tournament points for the playoff wins, there is also the opportunity to play for the free credits that SOM awards finalists and league champions. For me, at least, that's a lot of motivation for having a healthy squad going into the playoffs.

This of course is written by the guy who in Event 1 rested injury-prone players for the final series, lost all three of those games, and then had my healthy team beaten 4 games to 1 by the Wild Card team in the semi-finals.

Hogg has a point about the prize incentive!!!

Anyway, since most managers like the current system, so be it. I just believe that, as long as the point system is not so unbalanced to have one of the 12 best seasonal managers be out of the 36-team dance, I can live with randomness and see the 40th or even the 50th best manager be invited if a championship has been won over the 30th best seasonal coaches without a championship.

It seems to me there's an internal contradiction to want all randomness out of the point system, but still have a 36 team round robin to decide the final 12. Why then not prefer a final 12 based on all seasonal points--heck why have a final 12 at all and let the very last Finals decide the Tour winner if randomness is such an evil?

I prefer to espouse randomness as part of sporting events--and let Strat reflect that.

Wow, a lot of reading to catch up on this morning! For the record, I do like JPav's current point system.

However, I do understand the thought process behind the playoff bonus point system as well. I think a hybrid-solution just might work and satisfy both camps (or maybe just draw disagreement from both? ).

So my proposal:

- Keep the JPav point per win system (through both regular season and playoffs)
- Add a minimal bonus of 2 points for each round of playoffs achieved (i.e., semi's = 2 bonus points, finals = another 2 bonus points)


This allows a championship team to earn 12 additional points beyond there regular season win total (4 from playoff round bonus's, and 8 from total post-season wins).

This does recognize achievement by providing the post season bonus points. So the 84 win team that won the wild card in a tie-breaker, knows he'll get an automatic 2 point bump in the standings over his counterparts by virtue of making the post season, and has the potential for more points via wins and more potential bonus points should he make the championship.

This does NOT create too big a deficit (IMHO) to the potential great 90-win team that did not make the playoffs by virtue of playing against some extremely tough competition in there league (and if you think about it, a lot of times if there are 4 or more 90+ win teams, it may be because of some real slouches that are making it easy pickings, and not necessarily because those 90+ win teams have the greatest of all managers).

Not sure I have a 4th point to make here, just like using those little arrow things. I'm sure once someone decides to rip into my idea, I'll come up with more...


Couple more unrelated notes I wanted to add, and recognize two great contributors to the SOM experience:

JPav - once again, I can't thank you enough for all your efforts in putting together this year's Tour Championship.

Marc - I've actually found myself rooting for your teams in the TC...you've been dismantling the competition, and it's been fascinating to see.

I am not sure if I should say anything as I run the risk of stepping on what appear to be some very sensitive toes here, but that generally has not stopped me in the past, so why not.

this is my first time playing this tourney, and I have played barnstormers one time also (currently on 2nd time). I definitely like this point system more than that one, where you get a 20 point bonus for a championship. that is far too much in my opinion. I will also say as someone who has made 2 playoffs here, but only earned a grand total of 1 bonus point so far, , that I think the opportunity to earn extra points is reward enough for getting into the playoffs. Saying that, I do think that the league championship deserves some bonus, and in my humble and perhaps naive opinion, a 2 point award, getting the winner to an even 10 points for his 8 playoff wins and the championship, seems about right. Otherwise, winning the championship only earns you 1 more point than the runner up (and a bonus credit of course).

anyway, loving the tourney so far, and wouldn't change anything else about the way it is running. The deadlines and rules on leagues have been great.

Thx guys - appreciate the opinions and feedback!

We'll put it to a vote after this tour is over and let the new Commissioner do with it as he sees fit. I hope if more managers have specific ideas, they will continue to throw them out for discussion. The more specific an idea is, the better we can all evaluate if it's worth committing to a change.