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Yeah, probably would apply to those threads too. The point of the original post, which you missed because it is not about you, is the scarcity of SOM online posts, about the cards and the game engine and what the future of the game play (cards, engine, online enhancements) might be.[/b]

Firstly, it wouldn't "probably" apply to those threads, too; it definitely would. And I didn't miss your point, which was why I told you you should start an SOM thread, yourself. You missed that, and it was about you. So, your sad shot at me was both immature and erroneous.

As to there being more SOM threads, I'm all for it; I like those as well. As I said before, you should start one yourself since you're missing them so.

I admire the contributions we used to get here, from people who have the combination of SOM analysis skills, interesting opinions and the ability to accept disagreeing opinions and analysis respectfully and with good humor. I do not claim to meet those criteria, and based on current participation, it would be a close analogy to the tree falling in the unpopulated forest.

Most members probably feel their thread will likely spiral out of control so they don't bother to post. When there's a cancer around people tend stay away...

Last January, I remember making a suggestion that I was very passionate about. A certain individual monopolized the thread, took it off on a tangent, and ultimately completely derailed the thread.

I haven't stopped posting, but now I do usually avoid topics he starts. I can't keep him from destroying any given thread, but if it's one he started it's almost a given the discussion will eventually get ugly. Besides, I too wish there were more SOM-game related topics, and his topics are rarely SOM-game related.

1. This forum is for healthy discussion about Strat-O-Matic Baseball Online only. Talk about online baseball, debate about strategy, get help for your teams, ask a general knowledge question about the game, even rant about last night's heartbreaking loss. We encourage you to participate, as long as you contribute towards a positive experience for the community.

This is pretty clear. While I wouldn't mind the occasional non-game (but baseball) related topic, they should be the exception.

Our promise to you is that this will be a fun and positive place to hang out and discuss your online leagues. We will not allow others to ruin the experience for you.

If only this promise was kept!

I haven't stopped posting, but now I do usually avoid topics he starts. I can't keep him from destroying any given thread, but if it's one he started it's almost a given the discussion will eventually get ugly. Besides, I too wish there were more SOM-game related topics, and his topics are rarely SOM-game related.

That's funny, Coyote talks about someone "destroying threads," when Latorre and crew trolled and hijacked my threads today and destroyed them. He didn't say anything about them, which betrays his clear bias and questionable view. Of course, Coyote has been biased and dishonest before. He once lied and said I had "bashed" another poster:

However, that being said, I might do exactly that (use foe option). While sometimes this person's posts have been laugh out loud funny (bashing someone because there are better 18th century poets than the one he quoted?!)

That was a blatant lie, since I never "bashed" (severely criticized) anyone about 18t c. poets. This was my post on 18th c. poets that lightly (and cogently) critiqued, and didn't bash, the poster:

Robert Burns, Mesquiton, really? If you're going to quote a poet of that era, make it an excellent one like Byron, Shelley, or Blake. You can really critique somebody with their complex works, whomever you are critiquing.

I suggest Coyote focus on his questionable honesty and objectivity instead of worrying about MLB-related threads. Considering most of ATG, and many posters on this forum, enjoy MLB threads, he'd be better off doing so.

Any further questions?

(can you imagine the entertainment value over discussing Trump, Hillary et al for the next several months?).

Trump reminds me of Ross Perot. In it until someone tells him he can win it

You know, the discussions like "Can you win with a "3" at shortstop?" or "Best players under 1.00"

Search is the enemy of this one. Anyone can do a search on this type topic and find numerous discussions where just about everything useful that could be said has been said. Not discouraging anyone from engaging in discussions along these lines but admit when you have been around a few years these take on a been there read that feel.

Personally I see nothing wrong with MLB discussions. They server a very valid purpose. The players and stats being accomplished this year will be the data going in to next year's cards. Personally I will continue to create, read, and respond to MLB threads.

You know, the discussions like "Can you win with a "3" at shortstop?" or "Best players under 1.00"

Search is the enemy of this one. Anyone can do a search on this type topic and find numerous discussions where just about everything useful that could be said has been said. Not discouraging anyone from engaging in discussions along these lines but admit when you have been around a few years these take on a been there read that feel.

Personally I see nothing wrong with MLB discussions. They server a very valid purpose. The players and stats being accomplished this year will be the data going in to next year's cards. Personally I will continue to create, read, and respond to MLB threads.

Re your first paragraph: Probably also reflects that either the forum is unknown to new players or there aren't that many new players and we veterans have exhausted interested in discussing the merits of a 2 e40 vs. a 3 e10 at shortstop.

I don't know that I said there was anything wrong with MLB discussions, but if the question were raised as to whether they comply with the rules, I don't think they do. I thought I started out saying that if it wasn't for the MLB topics, the forum would be virtually lifeless. Heck, when the MLB topics diverge into name-calling, it can be entertaining in a "slow down for an accident" kind of way. If I didn't say that before, I have said it now.

In the TSN days, I spent most of my forum time in the Bullpen, so the little outbursts here hardly rival the threats that would get exchanged there.

Most members probably feel their thread will likely spiral out of control so they don't bother to post. When there's a cancer around people tend stay away.

Take a look at the threads on the ATG forum. Looks like a great community.

I know at least 10 used-to-be-regulars that got sick of the state of the forums and strictly stay away at this point. I too am a "check the forum a couple times a week" instead of "couple times a day" guy now (unless in a draft).

BTW, I believe certain people are banned from the ATG forums (hearsay, I heard it from others) which would help keep that community in better shape.

Whether or not certain individuals believe that they are a troll and are are responsible for nail in the coffins of this forum, doesn't matter. The fact is this forum is nothing compared to what it used to be, or what ATG is. And in the eyes of many, there is one person at fault for that.

I agree with geekor's comments and I also know some regulars who share a similar viewpoint.

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Personally I see nothing wrong with MLB discussions. They server a very valid purpose. The players and stats being accomplished this year will be the data going in to next year's cards. Personally I will continue to create, read, and respond to MLB threads.

This is a good argument. However, as I just suggested in the Wish List forum, I'd like to see these discussions get their own subforum.