Golden era 5 round player draft- Drafts complete!

So, if I pick the Angles, can I pick Reggie Jackson, but us his 1969 A's card?

If I pick the Pirates, can I use Bonds' SF 2004 card?

Reggie - yes.
Bonds - no. All cards used must be in the time frame so we can't use the 2004 card but can use the 1969 card.
Please correct me if this is inaccurate

Precisely right ! The only cards in this set are 1968-1995. It's a special card set. You won't find any cards that are not in this 1968-1995 time period . You can see the link to the special card set on the previous page.

with only keeping 15 core players before the 16=25 spots are a free for all, I think that some teams will lose good players. For example the Reds have more than 15 good players, so people can snag some good Reds in the 16-25 spots on their AD card.

This is free advice to all, look at those teams (like the Reds) with deep pools of talent to pick from. They are going to have plenty of guys for their 15 and you can take guys from them in the 16-25 spots on your AD card. This will be how the lesser "deep pool" teams get their extra 10 players....and they will be good ones.


*** more importantly, Geoff, you need to make sure that everyone knows (and is honorable) how to fill out their AD card. They HAVE to put the players from their franchise in spots 6-15 before trying to get players from other teams. Hence, Geoff's line about checking/printing out AD cards.

If someone cheats this, it screws up the league for everyone.

Great points Paul!

To repeat and emphasize what Paul said, the following instructions are critically important to make sure the autodraft is carried out according to the league rules:

Autodraft picks 1 through 5 must be the players that you selected in the player draft. If you had a supplemental draft pick, this will be your autodradr pick 6.

Picks 6 though 15 must be the remainder of your 15 core players.

Picks 16 through 25 are absolutely free picks. You can pick any players in the pool other than players picked in the 5 round player draft, or the supplemental draft. The players picked in the 5 round player draft and supplemental draft cannot be drafted . Other than this you can pick any player in autodraft picks 16-25 - you are not restricted to players carded to your team for autodraft picks 16-25.

And see Paul's excellent advice, above.

By the way, to simplify the game, if , in the 5 round player draft or supplemental draft, someone takes a player from the 2 franchises that were not selected in the franchise draft (which you can do even if they are not carded to your team), those picks will also be considered core players for your team.

no dave....see Geoff's latest. Any players you take in rounds 1-5 (even from the 2 non-picked franchises) now COUNT as one of your core guys.

so, in your example if you get the ChiSox and Cleveland goes undrafted, you could pick Sam McDowell and he'd count as one of your 15 core White Sox guys. otherwise it definitely WOULD make a big difference as you want your 16th guy on your AD card to be some non-White Sox guy that you can hopefully steal away from another team...like Larkin on the Reds....assuming he's not one of Cincy's 1-5 round picks which he wouldn't be since he's not multi-carded. then it's a guessing game...you have to try to find good players that the deeper teams may not put on their AD card in 6-15 spots (because they already have some other good player etc...)

that's definitely helpful to those teams that have a much more shallow pool of players to choose from.

Here's the complete list of players carded to multiple teams:

BATTERS:
Allen, Dick (PHI/CHW)
Alomar Sr., Sandy (CAL/TEX)
Bailey, Bob (MON/BOS)
Baines, Harold (CHW/OAK)
Baylor, Don (CAL/BOS)
Beniquez, Juan (TEX/CAL)
Bonds, Barry (PIT/SF)
Boone, Bob (PHI/CAL)
Brinkman, Ed (TEX/DET)
Butler, Brett (ATL/LA)
Cardenal, Jose (CHC/KC)
Cardenas, Leo (MIN/TEX)
Carew, Rod (MIN/CAL)
Carter, Gary (MON/NYM)
Carty, Rico (ATL/OAK/CLE)
Cash, Dave (PIT/PHI)
Chalk, Dave (CAL/KC)
Chambliss, Chris (NYY/ATL)
Clark, Jack (SF/STL)
Cowens, Al (KC/SEA)
Dawson, Andre (MON/CHC)
Duffy, Frank (CLE/BOS)
Dykstra, Lenny (NYM/PHI)
Evans, Darrell (ATL/DET)
Foli, Tim (MON/PIT/CAL)
Ford, Dan (CAL/BAL)
Fosse, Ray (CLE/OAK)
Fregosi, Jim (CAL/TEX)
Gamble, Oscar (CHW/SD)
Garner, Phil (PIT/HOU)
Garr, Ralph (ATL/CAL)
Garvey, Steve (LA/SD)
Gibson, Kirk (DET/LA)
Grich, Bobby (BAL/CAL)
Hebner, Richie (PIT/PHI)
Henderson, Rickey (NYY/OAK)
Hernandez, Keith (STL/NYM)
Howell, Roy (TOR/MIL)
Hubbard, Glenn (ATL/OAK)
Jackson, Reggie (OAK/NYY/CAL)
Johnson, Cliff (NYY/TOR)
Johnson, Davey (BAL/ATL)
Johnson, Howard (DET/NYM)
Johnson, Lance (STL/CHW)
Jones, Ruppert (SEA/SD/DET)
Kingman, Dave (NYM/CHC)
Knight, Ray (NYM/BAL)
Lacy, Lee (LA/PIT)
Lansford, Carney (CAL/OAK)
Leflore, Ron (DET/MON)
Lopes, Davey (LA/HOU)
Lynn, Fred (BOS/CAL)
Madlock, Bill (CHC/PIT)
Martinez, Buck (KC/TOR)
Matthews, Gary (ATL/CHC)
May, Dave (MIL/TEX)
McGee, Willie (STL/SF)
Mitchell, Kevin (NYM/SF)
Monday, Rick (CHC/LA)
Nettles, Graig (NYY/SD)
Oliver, Al (PIT/MON/TOR)
O'Neill, Paul (CIN/NYY)
Owen, Spike (SEA/BOS)
Palmeiro, Rafael (TEX/BAL)
Parker, Dave (PIT/CIN/OAK)
Pena, Tony (PIT/STL)
Pendleton, Terry (STL/ATL)
Picciolo, Rob (OAK/MIL)
Piniella, Lou (KC/NYY)
Porter, Darrell (MIL/KC)
Randolph, Willie (NYY/OAK)
Rettenmund, Merv (BAL/CAL)
Rivers, Mickey (CAL/NYY)
Romero, Ed (MIL/BOS)
Simmons, Ted (STL/MIL)
Sizemore, Ted (STL/PHI)
Smith, Reggie (BOS/LA)
Speier, Chris (SF/MON)
Spencer, Jim (TEX/NYY)
Van Slyke, Andy (STL/PIT)
Watson, Bob (HOU/ATL)
Wilson, Mookie (NYM/TOR)
Winfield, Dave (SD/NYY)
Wynegar, Butch (MIN/NYY)

PITCHERS:
Alexander, Doyle (TEX/TOR)
Bahnsen, Stan (CHW/MON)
Bair, Doug (DET/TOR)
Barker, Len (TEX/CLE)
Barr, Jim (SF/CAL)
Beattie, Jim (NYY/SEA)
Bedrosian, Steve (ATL/PHI)
Berenguer, Juan (DET/MIN)
Bibby, Jim (TEX/CLE/PIT)
Blyleven, Bert (MIN/TEX)
Briles, Nelson (PIT/TEX)
Burgmeier, Tom (MIN/BOS)
Campbell, Bill (BOS/CHC)
Candiotti, Tom (CLE/TOR)
Charlton, Norm (CIN/SEA)
Cone, David (NYM/KC)
Darwin, Danny (HOU/BOS)
Davis, Storm (BAL/OAK)
Dobson, Pat (DET/SD)
Drabek, Doug (NYY/PIT)
Eckersley, Dennis (BOS/OAK)
Fingers, Rollie (OAK/MIL)
Forsch, Ken (HOU/CAL)
Franco, John (CIN/NYM)
Garber, Gene (PHI/ATL)
Giusti, Dave (HOU/PIT)
Goltz, Dave (MIN/CAL)
Gossage, Goose (NYY/SD)
Gullickson, Bill (MON/CIN)
Hands, Bill (CHC/TEX)
Hassler, Andy (BOS/CAL)
Holtzman, Ken (CHC/OAK)
Honeycutt, Rick (SEA/OAK)
Hough, Charlie (LA/TEX)
Hrabosky, Al (STL/ATL)
Hurst, Bruce (BOS/SD)
Jenkins, Fergie (CHC/TEX)
John, Tommy (LA/CAL)
Johnson, Bob D. (KC/PIT)
Kison, Bruce (PIT/CAL)
Lamp, Dennis (CHW/TOR)
Langston, Mark (SEA/CAL)
Lavelle, Gary (SF/TOR)
Lee, Bill F. (BOS/MON)
Lerch, Randy (PHI/MIL)
Lindblad, Paul (OAK/TEX)
Maddux, Greg (CHC/ATL)
Marshall, Mike (MON/LA/TEX/MIN)
McClure, Bob (MIL/CAL)
McGraw, Tug (NYM/PHI)
Medich, Doc (NYY/MIL)
Messersmith, Andy (CAL/LA)
Moore, Mike (SEA/OAK)
Myers, Randy (NYM/CIN)
Niekro, Joe (HOU/NYY)
Perry, Gaylord (CLE/TEX)
Reed, Ron (ATL/PHI)
Renko, Steve (MON/CAL)
Rhoden, Rick (LA/PIT)
Roberts, Dave (SD/PIT)
Romo, Enrique (SEA/PIT)
Ruthven, Dick (PHI/CHC)
Ryan, Nolan (CAL/HOU)
Saberhagen, Bret (KC/NYM)
Sambito, Joe (HOU/BOS)
Sanderson, Scott (MON/CHC)
Singer, Bill (LA/CAL)
Smith, Lee (CHC/STL)
Sosa, Elias (LA/MON)
Stoddard, Tim (BAL/CHC)
Stone, Steve (CHW/BAL)
Sutcliffe, Rick (CLE/CHC)
Sutton, Don (LA/MIL)
Tiant, Luis (CLE/BOS)
Zahn, Geoff (LA/MIN/CAL)

In my example, I'm not the Padres, no one has picked the Padres-
But their players are FA, so in the first 5 rounds I draft Nettles, to 'claim him", which also give me access to his Yankees card.
Clear as mud?

Sorry! I didn't understand what you were saying! And to be honest, I hadn't really thought of that question before!

I think the spirit of the idea in the rules (and literally what I wrote in the rules, and as Paul said avove), if the player (nettles) is carded to one of the 2 franchises that are not in our league, then that player CAN be picked in the free agent draft, even if he is also carded to a team that IS in our league. That sucks for the team who he IS carded to, but there are only so many players on the 2 non-used franchises available in the 5 round draft, and I don't think the rules should further restrict those "initial free agents".

So, if the Padres are one of the 2 unused franchises, any franchise can draft Nettles in the 5 round draft, because he is carded to the Padres. If the Yankees (to whom he is also carded) want to get Nettles, then they have to pick him in the 5 round draft before someone else does.

So let's say you have the Twins, the Padres are one of the 2 unused franchises, and you pick Nettles in round 1. You can use any card for Nettles, including a Yankee card, because you own Nettles. Furthermore, he is considered a core player for your Twins, because you picked him in the 5 round player draft or supplemental draft. That is the only way that a player like Nettles could be considered a core player for the Twins, by the way.

When you do your autodraft, you will list Nettles in one of your first 5 autodraft selections, because you took him in the 5 round player draft. And you can autodraft him with any card you want - a Padres card or a Yankees card , whichever you wish. He is a core player. Furthermore, you can switch cards at any time in the league, subject only to the add/drop 5/10/20 penalty (no penalty of course during preseason). But don't ever drop him without simultaneously adding his other card as part of the same transaction, so that you don't lose him by accident .

Here the autodraft scoop:

1. Slots 1-5 must be the players you picked in the 5 round draft.

2. Slots 6-15 must be players carded to your franchise . You'll want to place any remaining multi-team players in the early, high slots (e.g. Slots 6 thru 8), but don't pick anyone who was picked in 5 round draft on the boards

3. Slots 16 and subsequent - pick ****anyone**** in the whole league, except for players picked in the 5 round draft on the boards

And, in the waiver draft and frenzy, absolutely everyone is fair game!

The requirement is that you must have 15 core players (either carded to your team or picked from the non-selected franchises in the 5 round draft) on your team , at all times . If you come out of the autodraft 1 or 2 core players short (because you didn't get all of your picks in rounds 6-15), then you must use waivers to get 15. If you still didn't get 15 core players, you must use your first frenzy adds to get your 15 core players.

But apart from that requirement, it's free agency from autodraft slot 16 onwards !!!

Keep in mind, also, that you do have a choice in the 5 round player draft. You can either

(a) pick one of your core players (presumably one who was also carded to a competing franchise, so that you - and not the other franchise - will own his rights throughout this league). Or

(b) pick a player who is not carded to ANY of the 24 franchises picked in the franchise draft. Please note that there are 26 available franchises in this card set, including Toronto and Seattle, but not Arizona or Colorado. So, for our example, if we assume that neither Toronto nor Seattle were picked as part of the 24 franchises for the league (just for example), then the players who are carded to Toronto and Seattle in this set would also be available (to you, and to any other managers) in the 5 round player draft.

Whether you pick in (a) or (b), that player will be owned by you throughout this league, and will be considered a core player for you (even the "free agent" in (b), even if he wasn't carded to your team, but was from one of the 2 non-picked franchises).

Keep in mind, though, that if you pick from one of the "free agent" franchise player pools in the 5 round draft, you are foregoing an opportunity to "lock up" one of your potential core players, who might be carded to another franchise in the league as well. If you pass up the opportunity to select a core player in the 5 round draft, then you could conceivably lose out on getting that player in the autodraft, if the opposing manager (to whose team the player is also carded) beats you out in the autodraft for that player, in rounds 6-15 of the autodraft!

Once you "own" a player - by any means whatever - you can use any card that he has in this 1968-1995 special player set. Be careful not to drop him without simultaneously adding his other card - otherwise you could lose the player by accident. Once lost by a drop (and an add by another player), you simply no longer own that player any more.

Core players include any players that you "own" that either have a card for your team, or were picked in the 5 round player draft (i.e. from one of the 2 franchises not picked in the franchise draft). The 5 round player draft is the only way that you can cause a player to become a core player for you, that was not ever carded to your franchise (see (b) above).

In the 5 round draft, you can also, if you choose, pick one of your own carded players that isn't even carded to any other teams. You might do this, for example, in round 5 of the player draft, if you don't have/need any more multi-carded players (or players from the 2 undrafted franchises) to round out your desired 15 "keepers" in the first 15 slots of your autodraft.

re-state the max players a franchise can lose in any single round of the FA draft for all, please.