Forum Topics II - where do we discuss this travesty?

Well - there you have it! Final word on this topic - even Miss America thinks Tom Brady cheated.

I think Miss America cheated!

Proof this is all MOOT POINT: Brady doing quite well this year with over inflated balls

Of course Tom is doing better with the overinflated balls this year. He and Gisele are supposedly having marital issues, so overinflated balls are a 24/7 thing for him right now.

Proof this is all MOOT POINT: Brady doing quite well this year with over inflated balls

I don't think anyone has ever disputed that Brady is one of,if not the, greatest quarterback of the Super Bowl era, and I say that as a Niners fan and all that entails, Motanna, Young etc.

However, nothing has been presented yet to completely exonerate and/or convict beyond a reasonable doubt Brady or the Patriots of some type of tampering/bending and/or breaking of the rules.

As I said before I didn't feel the punishment fit the evidence but I'm not convinced the Patriots, and by extension Brady and Belicheck are completely innocent. I do not belevie here will ever be enough evidence one way or the other to completely remove all my doubts.

Bill, just curious but what exactly are your doubts based on? 6 months of false media reports? Or actual evidence?

Bill, just curious but what exactly are your doubts based on? 6 months of false media reports? Or actual evidence?

The fact, and this is not disputed, that a memeber of the Patriots staff took the balls from the officials prior to the game when he had no business handling them and if he did not need to, was not supposed to, why did he?

The fact, and again this has also not been disputed, that there is an NFL official that spoke the league about this same practice by this same Patriot employee on several other occasions. The league never investigated however.

The fact, again not disputed, that the Patriots video recorded other teams signals, were caught and punished for it, which lends creedence to the organization and Belicheck in particular of bending/breaking the rules to get an advantage. How much of an advantage we'll never know as the Commissinoner had the evidence destroyed, I suspect more to protect the league than the Patroits.

I do not dispute Brady's talent or Belicheck's coaching acumen, but I do believe they are not above reproach in these matters.