Fascinating Stats

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Salty

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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostSun Feb 14, 2016 8:10 pm

It would take a lot of seasons b/c there are so many variables factored into the box;

Its fairly obvious to some of us that we have gotten far away from the straight dicing game--
I couldn't tell you the specific amount- but its not like its 10 percent or something, its waaaay more.
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostSun Feb 14, 2016 11:39 pm

I am very new to this. But the reported dice rolls themselves are often far outside statistical norms.
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 1:18 am

jrb16915 wrote:I am very new to this. But the reported dice rolls themselves are often far outside statistical norms.



If it's often far outside the norms ...about how often more would it have to be, far outside the norms, before we should re-define the norms?
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 3:16 am

Here is my take. The advantage could be all on hitters side. Or it could be all on pitchers side. Or it could be half and half.
Here is the thing. If you boost hitters when at home the flip side is pitcher stats suffer due to the extra hits from the home field advantage hitters are getting. Same true other way. If visiting hitters are being reduced then home pitchers would be getting performance boost just via the extra outs the hitters are assigned. So in truth you cannot have a purely advantage only for hitters home/vs/road because that is going benefit or hurt oppsoing poitcher in the opposite direction.

What might be more fascinating to study from this league is dice rolls. What percent of the dice rolls came up in favor of hitters or pitchers that we can attribute to home field advantage. Figure that out and you have your home field adjustment calculation wrapped up with a bow around it.

Bottom line keep digging. I think your thinking is headed in the right direction, just not completely sure which path I would encourage you to follow in your cointinued investigation.

I personally am not opposed to home field advantage as long as it is a two edged sword that cuts both ways. I am helped while at home the exact same amount I am hurt on the road. And of course everyone knows I would go a step further and turn on pitcher clutch even though I can understand why others oppose it given the black box method of deployment. In my ideal world they turn pitcher clutch on and announce in John's blog with a full eplanation of how it is implemented and how we can recognize which pitchers have positive clutch and who has negative clutch. And if that clutch is a sliding stale whe whould know that too. It comes down to a single work....... transparency.
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 4:37 am

being a manager in this league, all my team info is open to anyone. ask me, and you will receive whatever data you want. as long as you're not the NSA.

i totally think that this is a hypothesis needs further research and am willing to participate in (funds willing) for the betterment of the community.
-steven
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 5:41 am

come to think of it the records might be a good resource for research. where were the records set? at home or on the road primarily? just an idea...
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 9:38 am

Okay, after last nights game my team has played 66 road games and 60 home games. The "dice rolls" are +53 to the hitters for the opposition against my pitchers, and +53 to the opposition pitchers against my hitters. My pitching staff has an ERA of 3.91 @home and 4.91 on the road, my hitters are 21 points higher @home, plus the team is one of 2 that has a winning record on the road. My question is this, given that my team is not built any better than the rest, how are these differences being accomplished? Here's the link to our league:

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/league/428736
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 11:16 am

Ive got no problem with what anyone is saying here:

Let me just ask a question--

WHY IS THIS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO: SPEND MONEY ON/RESEARCH/CALCULATE ????

Is it really asking too much to know what factors we are playing with here?
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 11:40 am

Happy, very happy to see mykeedee and sdajr76 taking a look at this stuff too...I hope more from our league will show that interest. :)

Also agree 100% with Salty on the transparency thing....At least show us averages of what they hit off their own card vs the pitching cards.
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Re: Fascinating Stats

PostMon Feb 15, 2016 3:09 pm

nevdully's wrote:
jrb16915 wrote:I am very new to this. But the reported dice rolls themselves are often far outside statistical norms.



If it's often far outside the norms ...about how often more would it have to be, far outside the norms, before we should re-define the norms?


The mathematical probability of rolling a 7 doesn't change no matter how strange the results maybe.

This thread really depresses me as a new player. There is nothing in the instructions to indicate that there were factors to consider other than the cards and dice rolls. And I assumed the dice rolls would be truly random. If the results in the game are skewed by other factors it really seems like a complete waste of time to play.
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