Rogers Hornsby

Radagast Brown wrote:

I don't think you know what a "straw man argument" is. The whole point is, MLB was an exclusive all "white " bigoted racial institution until after 1947. It is just a fact and I am sorry but as much as you would like to "white wash" history I am not buying it.... I know how you old white guys pine for the way things used to be, sorry 'bout your luck with that.

Excuse me for thinking that bigotry is wrong and that people knew this 75-100 years ago...

The bottom line is, most of the pre war players would not make a MLB team of today.

I recognize some people like to cling to the way things were but the World moves on, sorry 'bout your luck!

Anyone who doesn't like my opinions or presentation of the facts can find me in a league and we can settle this the old fashion way,on the diamond.... The Last Druid thought he wanted some, it turns out it is not going as he planned. I have the best record in the league and he is stuck in last place.

What is this guy's problem!

WOW ! MR Brown has some issues, he dosnt know any of us , what our lives are about what we think or feel yet in an attempt to make his SILLY argument about comparing players of different eras he turns to the race card deriding the managers of this league as a bunch of old white guys wishing for the past. Boo to you and I will make it a point to avoid being in a league with you. For all your yapping it seems as though you are the one with hate in his heart good riddance to you. Bill PS when you accomplish the record that Petro has over the years you can brag until then shut up.

He has some valid points, but there are so many factors involved with this.

Yes - the size of the population is bigger, and African Americans are now allowed to play in Major League Baseball. On the flip side, there are not a lot of African Americans in MLB, most black players are now from Latin America.

But what percentage of the population now plays baseball. In the previous era, there were numerous minor leagues and town leagues for people to play in and improve their skills as players.

The current interpretation of the strike zone should result in fewer pitches being strikes, yet strikeouts are way up. Some of this is due to specialization and the modern use of relief pitchers. I think there are way too may free swingers in today's game. Most of these players are strong enough that they can hit home runs without the big swings that they take. How much would the batting average and OBP improve if there were half as many strikeouts due to the ball being put in play or taking walks?

And yes - you can hit home runs without striking out a lot. Exhibit A is a list of 45 seasons where a player had 20 or more home runs, with fewer strikeouts than home runs: http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10091.

Joe DiMaggio did it six times, Yogi Berrra five times, Ted Williams three times.

Six players have had seasons in which they have hit 40 or more home runs, and more home runs than strikeouts:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/more-hom ... trikeouts/

Joe Dimmagio had 361 Home Runs and 369 strikeouts.
Yogi Berra - 358 Home Runs, 414 strikeouts

He dismisses the batting and pitching stats of the MLB old timers with the argument of there being a small pool of players and the result being inferior talent to choose from. If that argument is valid then it must also be used when judging the inflated stats of players in the Negro league players who were selecting from an even smaller talent pool. I choose not to diminish the achievements of either group but rather embrace their history and what they meant to the national pastime. Comparing players from different eras is good barroom banter but no matter the opinion I would think respect for the all the players who built this game is something we can agree on.

Math doesn't lie. Made up stats are not math. The pool is not 10,000 times greater.

No one here would exclude blacks from the game nor do they pine for a whites only game.

What is this guy's problem

That is an excellent question. I hope the following sheds some light on that question.


Check this out from Breitbart himself about Radagast Brown (Richard B. Milter)


The Next Big Thing: Richard B. Milter


by Breitbart News3 Mar 2010
The future of journalism?

I like to consider myself a talent scout. A lot of my day is spent meeting people of different disciplines with different skills. When I see talent I know it.

I created the Big sites in order to put some of the best fresh faces of the right of center political movement online. We need to expand the movement beyond the predictable parochial precincts of Washington D.C. New media has served as a monumental boon for expanding the Big Tent of conservatism.

But some of the talent that I find is, how shall I put it?… unconventional… and admittedly, defiantly left of center. What to do with such talent?

I’ve taken flack for drawing so much attention to Media Matters, the George Soros-funded temple of propaganda and misdirection and den of paranoid malaria-ridden partisan mosquitos. I’ve especially been taken to task for isolating the plum of John Podesta’s Media Matters stable of mostly caucasian male “senior fellows,” Eric Boehlert. But even though he and I disagree on absolutely everything, he’s undeniably awesome. Many are now realizing the value of pointing the flashlight on the cockroaches of the institutional left.

Once Team Podesta is engaged one realizes all they have is Alinsky. Once engaged, all they realize is that they have is Alinsky. When both sides realize that the left only has the politics of personal destruction (“critical theory” on steroids), both sides realize the left is in deep trouble.

That is where we find ourselves now. It is high cockroach season. And I have designated myself the Ted Nugent of cockroach season.

Please join me — if you have the stomach for such things — in welcoming my favorite Alinsky acolyte, Richard B. Milter, whose Facebook stylings deserve a far greater public platform. He and I may not agree on much. But we agree that he deserves a bigger stage for his unique work.

Not only am I a great talent scout, I am also a great matchmaker.

Richard B. Milter, aren’t you the lucky one. Media Matters is hiring.

Eric Boehlert, below find a sampling of his best work. Beyond his juvenile hectoring and sexual harassing, please take notice of how he deftly implies he is stalking me and contaminating my beverage intake with urine. Not even your prized üntershtudie, Karl Frisch, has deployed that tactic.

Here’s a sampling of some of his Facebook messages to me. I’m not sure what Milter is doing right now, but if this isn’t illegal and he isn’t headed to prison, perhaps he possesses the magic that could be used to create Media Matters 2.0.

Well, Breitbart's dead now. But he nailed the prison thing --almost. I think Milter's cyberstalking was after he got released from a multiyear felony conviction. Milter's probably sent me about 100 hate mail league messages over the past month.

This is what happens when you run into a real-life sociopath. It is like stepping in shit and your feet just get covered in it. Then again Dirty Harry sagely observed that a lot of things can happen to dog shit: it can be scraped up with a shovel. blow away in the wind or be stepped on and squashed. I'm thinking that the Cleveland law enforcement system may wish to revisit the matter of Mr. Milter and his ongoing criminal activities, which he actually bragged about in a private league mail message, which included prostitution (a part-time pimp) and drug dealing. There may be no cure for dumb, sorry Richie, but legal remedies can at least address some otherwise intractable problems.

He dismisses the batting and pitching stats of the MLB old timers with the argument of there being a small pool of players and the result being inferior talent to choose from. If that argument is valid then it must also be used when judging the inflated stats of players in the Negro league players who were selecting from an even smaller talent pool. I choose not to diminish the achievements of either group but rather embrace their history and what they meant to the national pastime. Comparing players from different eras is good barroom banter but no matter the opinion I would think respect for the all the players who built this game is something we can agree on.

This is all correct /thread

Kick rocks old bigoted white man, you are just mad cause you are in last place.

I have read enough stupidity on this thread to realize some of you are delusional ,some are just stupid while others are just cowardly. Then there is the Last Druid who is all three. How do you like last place Druid? Remember saying I wouldn't compete? I have the best record in the league... Then there are the bigots, lets not forget the bigots. You know the guys who think Babe was the best ever and Hank is some uppity N-Word...

You are correct, the player pool is not 10,000 times larger today it is over 100,000 times bigger. In Babe Ruth's day only "white" people could play in the MLB (you may have heard of it). Now anyone in the world can play. You do the math, stupid.

Someone wrote:

WOW ! MR Brown has some issues,

Yes, issues like enjoying that the game is integrated and realizing that players from the 1800s wouldn't stand a chance in today's game...

I didn't make this personal like little whiny boy Bruce, aka Petrosian aka The Last Druid.

I am not real worried about Druid, he will quit in a huff when he finishes in last place and I finish in first place. He is about due to quit in a huff and this will send him over the edge.