Role Player Forum

There has been an ongoing discussion around adding cards that aren't 'superstars'. This forum is dedicated to nominating, debating and determining players that would be represented in ATG with a sub $3mil card and be good role players, both batters and pitchers.

For purposes of the upcoming 17.1 add I'd like the focus to be non-EXP players...but please feel free to mention more recent guys that should be considered, just know they'll be on the bench for this round.

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Rosie

Just one guys opinion, but we need more 55 cent relievers who are usable on one side, such as Farmer, Crawford and the cheap Sambito. How to find cards like this I have no idea.

Found one. 1957 Ed Roebuck

1957 Hersh Freeman
1958 Gene Conley
1958 Bob Smith


I realize these are only from two years, but I only have the cards on CDROM going back to 1957. I just went through 57 and 58 looking for huge balance rating differences among relievers. Another issue is most of the old timers were starter relievers but STRAT makes a lot of them one or the other for the online game

My thoughts would go towards utility players who can help out at a number of positions and might even be able to start in low cap leagues. So, here is a list of players who can help out at at least 5 positions (in no particular order):

1/ 1890 Tun Berger (PIT) (O6245) .266/.337/.332
2/ 1924 Ray Blades (STL) (74598) .311/.373/.387
3/ 1904 Roger Bresnahan (NYG) (O3645) .284/.381/.410
4/ 2006 Chris Burke (HOU) (48769) .276/.347/.418
5/ 1986 Gary Carter (NYM) (23795) .255/.337/.439
6/ 2008 Ronny Cedeno (CHC) (46587) .269/.328/.352
7/ 1890 Artie Clarke (NYG) (2O546) .225/.290/.296
8/ 1989 Dave Cochrane (SEA) (635472) .235/.333/.382
9/ 1962 Don Demeter (PHI) (58793) .307/.359/.520
10/ 2008 Mark Derosa (CHC) (497536) .285/.376/.481
11/ 2006 Mark Derosa (TEX) (954673) .296/.357/.456
12/ 1912 Clyde Engle (BOS) (3456O) .234/.348/.298
13/ 1919 Chick Fewster (NYY) (96845) .283/.386/.357
14/ 1974 Pepe Frias (MON) (65497) .214/.258/.268
15/ 1997 Jeff Frye (BOS) (4587963) .312/.352/.433
16/ 1942 Augie Galan (BRO) (87934) .263/.339/.340
17/ 1970 Tommy Harper (MIL) (54789) .296/.377/.522
18/ 1933 Dave Harris (WSH) (98375) .260/.358/.418
19/ 2008 Willie Harris (WSN) (78456) .251/.344/.417
20/ 1969 Woodie Held (CHC) (895764) .143/.299/.317
21/ 2012 Elian Herrera (LAD) (754896) .251/.340/.332
22/ 1962 Chuck Hinton (WSA) (97846) .310/.361/.472
23/ 1963 Chuck Hinton (WSA) (795836) .269/.340/.426
24/ 1921 Rogers Hornsby (STL) (47563) .397/.458/.639
25/ 1915 Marty Kavanagh (DET) (34765) .295/.378/.452
26/ 1887 King Kelly (BSN) (O4256) .326/.419/.450
27/ 1910 John Knight (NYY) (6345O) .312/.372/.413
28/ 1932 Lyn Lary (NYY) (6345O) .232/.358/.343
29/ 2004 Hector Luna (STL) (64578) .249/.304/.364
30/ 2005 Hector Luna (STL) (495678) .285/.344/.409
31/ 2004 John Mabry (STL) (79538) .296/.363/.504
32/ 1919 Sherry Magee (CIN) (79458) .215/.337/.264
33/ 1993 Jeff McKnight (NYM) (64352) .256/.311/.323
34/ 2002 Lou Merloni (BOS) (456379) .247/.332/.392
35/ 1890 Doggie Miller (PIT) (5O624) .273/.357/.350
36/ 1891 Doggie Miller (PIT) (265O3) .285/.357/.363
37/ 1883 John Morrill (BSN) (3O546) .319/.344/.525
38/ 1939 Heinie Mueller (PHI) (45976) .279/.342/.437
39/ 2005 Pablo Ozuna (CHW) (567439) .276/.313/.330
40/ 1993 Tony Phillips (DET) (74985) .313/.443/.398
41/ 1976 Ron Pruitt (CLE) (975238) .267/.375/.302
42/ 1995 Jeff Reboulet (MIN) (65342) .292/.373/.398
43/ 1925 Harry Rice (SLB) (O3452) .359/.450/.568
44/ 1989 Ernie Riles (SFG) (54697) .278/.339/.404
45/ 2008 Juan Rivera (LAA) (79348) .246/.282/.438
46/ 1976 Bill Robinson (PIT) (59873) .303/.329/.534
47/ 2010 Adam Rosales (OAK) (46357) .271/.321/.400
48/ 2016 Adam Rosales (SDP) (546739) .229/.319/.495
49/ 1988 Luis Salazar (DET) (7654893) .270/.305/.385
50/ 1968 Chico Salmon (CLE) (456379) .214/.253/.283
51/ 1969 Chico Salmon (BAL) (34657) .297/.375/.451
52/ 1966 Bob Saverine (WSA) (45678) .251/.300/.333
53/ 1989 Kevin Seitzer (KCR) (56378) .281/.387/.337
54/ 1994 Craig Shipley (SDP) (564387) .333/.362/.475
55/ 1955 Al Smith (CLE) (958764) .306/.407/.473
56/ 2002 Scott Spiezio (ANA) (35794) .285/.371/.436
57/ 1972 Rennie Stennett (PIT) (47968) .286/.307/.376
58/ 1906 Sammy Strang (NYG) (4O653) .319/.423/.435
59/ 1936 Billy Sullivan, Jr. (CLE) (25379) .351/.382/.508
60/ 1992 B.J. Surhoff (MIL) (237589) .252/.314/.321
61/ 1989 Pat Tabler (KCR) (97345) .259/.325/.308
62/ 1970 Cesar Tovar (MIN) (87459) .300/.356/.442
63/ 2006 Jose Valentin (NYM) (47935) .271/.330/.490
64/ 1930 George Watkins (STL) (93784) .373/.415/.621
65/ 1914 Possum Whitted (STL/BSN) (O4536) .245/.304/.349
66/ 2006 Chris Woodward (NYM) (465793) .216/.289/.311
67/ 1979 Joel Youngblood (NYM) (97458) .275/.346/.436
68/ 1964 Don Zimmer (WSA) (59274) .246/.302/.411
69/ 2008 Ben Zobrist (TBR) (674895) .253/.339/.505
70/ 2006 Nick Punto (MIN) (56487) .290/.352/.373
71/ 1968 Gary Sutherland (PHI) (45697) .275/.313/.326
72/ 1951 Sibby Sisti (BOS) (64539) .279/.341/.362

Obviously, some of these would be more than 3mil (and I didn't list Kris Bryant, figuring he'll get in some day and SOM won't give us a 2016 player immediately.

Bill

By the way, as you have probably guessed the numbers after the team affiliation refer to scorecard positions, the "O" refers to outfield for the early players.

I posted this in the 17.1 Card Add Process forum but it probably belongs here instead.

Here are a few random low-end players from the PPD eras to consider, none of which are currently represented in the ATG set:

I'll start by putting in a plug for Nels Potter, pitcher from 1936-49. He had a few decent seasons during WW2, and my suggestion would be to use 1945 when he went 15-11 for the St. Louis Browns with a WHIP of 1.10 and only 10 HR allowed in 255 IP. What draws me to him though is that he pitched almost 1700 innings, almost all of which were with the Browns, the Philadelphia A's and the Boston Braves, none of which survive in those cities anymore.

Another name worth bring up is former Giants' 1B Whitey Lockman. He had a very steady if unspectacular career through the 1950s. From 1948 through 1953 he batted in succession .286, .301, .295, .282, .290, and .295, with OPS ranging between .740 and .815. I'd suggest considering his 1949 season, (.301-.368-.429-.797 with 12 SB in 617 AB).

Ray Prim only ever had one good season, but it was in 1945 at age 38 with, as we all know, what was to be the last Cub team to win the NL Pennant for quite some time. In 165 IP mostly as a starter, Prim went 13-8 that season with a WHIP of 1.00 and only 23 BB and 9 HR allowed. Much like the Cubs, he pretty much disappeared after that, but played an important role in what was to turn out to be an historic season for the team.

Beyond the utility players I suggested above, here are the names of some potential roster fillers:

1/ 1892 Billy Nash BSN (5) .260/.338/.350
2/ 1910 Jack Barry (PHA) (6) .259/.336/.337
3/ 1911 Steve Yerkes (BOS) (645) .279/.354/.345
4/ 1912 Hick Cady (BOS) (23) .259/.324/.385
5/ 1912 Red Downs BRO/CHC (465) .260/.314/.386
6/ 1912 Wally Mattick (CHW) (O) .260/.334/.358
7/ 1912 Otto Miller (BRO) (2) .278/.325/.351
8/ 1912 Wally Smith (STL) (563) .256/.351/.324
9/ 1913 Ray Morgan (WSH) (46) .272/.369/.345
10/ 1914 Vic Saier (CHC) (3) .240/.357/.415
11/ 1923 Al Nixon (BSN) (879) .274/.334/.336
12/ 1923 Harry Riconda (PHA) (56) .263/.317/.371
13/ 1931 Charlie Gelbert (STL) (6) .289/.365/.383
14/ 1932 Woody English (CHC) (56) .272/.344/.360
15/ 1935 Boze Berger (CLE) (4635) .258/.310/.371
16/ 1954 Chico Carrasquel (CHW) (6) .255/.348/.368
17/ 1955 Faye Throneberry (BOS) (79) .257/.323/.472
18/ 1957 Ted Kazanski (PHI) (546) .265/.327/.362
19/ 1959 Willie Kirkland (SFG) (97) .272/.335/.475
20/ 1962 Bernie Allen (MIN) (4) .269/.338/.403
21/ 1962 Choo-Choo Coleman (NYM) (2) .250/.303/.441

I'd like to add 1966 Horace Clarke to that list...
NYY (645) .266/.324/.381

Thanks,
Bill

I know there may be opposition because we already have a lot of his cards in the set, but how about a Babe Ruth batting card from his Boston years? It wouldn't be priced as high as his traditional Yankee seasons are, but there would certainly be some attraction to the idea. He wasn't exactly a slouch with the Bosox, as his 1919 season (.325 / .456 / .657) would attest when he first set the HR record with 29.

1963 Manny Mota
He would be a good platoon option.

vs RHP
.341 .372 .463 .836

vs LHP
.226 .278 .262 .540


1964 Gates Brown
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/31391/1660/1/60
It's not ridiculous like his other card. The year he had the most plate appearances.

vs RHP
.289 .338 .485 .823

vs LHP
.211 .283 .356 .638