24 Team 80's Franchise/Mystery League Full

I e-mailed this to Bob today and should probably share it here as well:

I really hate to be a pain or cause waves here, and I know there isn't much you can do, but if Fench doesn't load his team in time for the AD to run today I'm going to have to pull my team out and set us back a week. I live in Canada, and this Sunday is the Grey Cup, (our Canadian Football League championship). I'm going to the game and simply cannot do waivers on Sunday at 5:00. And it's not right that I, (or anyone else), be put at a disadvantage like that just because one player either can't or won't load his team in a timely manner. I've got exactly the same situation in a 60s league I'm in with him as well, and I'll be doing the same in that league.

I've just pulled my team from the league. I'll load it back in tomorrow night after the deadline passes. Sorry for any inconvenience, but it may all be about nothing anyway.


Guy

Falcon - please join this league. The rules in this league make waivers irrelevant. Everybody has nearly a full roster of keepers. The one or two players that you may want to pick up can be selected in the normal waivers. My point is, because of the rules of this league, waivers are not important at all!!

Re-posting league rules...

-Core5 = Players that all 5 yrs on their card are for one franchise. These players are assigned to their franchise and cannot be used by any other franchise.

-Core4 = Players that have 4 of the 5 yrs with one franchise. These players cannot be auto drafted by any other franchise but their Core4 franchise, BUT are available to be picked up or traded for by the other franchise they are carded to.

-Total Batters and Total Pitchers are the number of players that have at least 1 carded yr for that franchise

-Core 5+4 $$ is the value of ALL those players

Considering a tweak to this to better mirror Free Agency...see notes below.
-NEW FOR THIS SEASON!!! - Any players that are free agents (don't have a carded franchise in our league) are available to those franchises that they played with from 1970 - 1979 (maybe 80). So for example if an owner takes the Brewers and the Athletics aren't taken, then Sal Bando, who's 70's card is 5 yrs of A's is available to the Brew Crew since he actually played for them from 77-81. The player list below DOES NOT represent this Free Agency clause...mostly because its a lot of work to look up for every effected player. But once we have our 12 teams it becomes a bit easier. One caveat to this FA clause, if a guy qualifies for your franchise based on the above guidelines, but his season(s) are nowhere close to representing how he played for that franchise then he will not be available. Tommie Agee is a good example, played the last yr of his career for the Cardinals but it was a throw away.

Now for the keeper side of the equation. I'd like to mirror real franchises as much as possible so 20 keepers per season. Also I always thought that the revolving door that exists in the Mystery leagues where you drop Yaz or Gibson on their 'worst' years was an unfortunate side effect to the format...so as a motivator to keep those guys, any Core5 or Core4 players dropped cannot be on your roster the next season.

Ok so...
1) Pick any available Franchise
2) Format is DH
3) Pick the 80's Stadium of your franchise
4) Your Core5 and Core4 that you want (you don't have to have them all) should be at the bottom of your autodraft list
5) Minimum 2 season commit, ideally we play 2 seasons in each decade rolling with your chosen franchise the whole way.
6) Salary cap $100
7) Trades are allowed but all players involved must be carded to or have played for those franchises

Also reposting the discussion around how we deal with Free Agency...
Rosie2167 wrote:
gbrookes - It probably could use some tweaking but its the current rule and you have it right. For the 80's we should consider lowering the keeper rule to account for the challenges of free agency.

Davesodu wrote:
for the 80s we could make it a non-keeper type of rule. Going back to the 60s league for an example - if the Reds get Frank Robinson in the 1st year they cannot keep him, the Orioles get him the 2nd year. This would help mirror player movement in free agency and give each of us a chance to play with that 'one guy' that could really help your team but you lost a coin flip in year 1 so you lose him in both leagues. I know Reggie has 3 Yankee years and 2 Angel years. So if the Angels don't have a team I get him both leagues but if someone takes the Angels then at least I get Reggie once. Willie Randolph will be mine in both leagues as he has 5 Yankee cards so there is no other team that could get him even though he played with other teams in the 80s.

Just a thought. We can talk about it or forget it depending on how others feel.

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Interested in all your opinions on Free Agency...here's one suggestion that piggy backs off of Davesodu, its a two part suggestion:
Part 1 - The 80's spreadsheet now shows those clubs that guys played for in the 80's but aren't carded to in SOM. We treat those non-carded clubs as Core1. So for example, Pete Rose is listed as PHI4, CIN1, MON. So he is in essence PHI4, CIN1, MON1 and if PHI is not in our league, can be drafted by both CIN and MON. This opens up the roster potential quite a bit.

Part 2 - After Season 1 of the 80's there is a Free Agency period. That FA period is a two round draft in reverse order of finish where each team can 'sign' pick two players off of another roster. Those players have to have a card or have been identified per the spreadsheet to have played for the club picking them up. Each club can only lose 2 players to free agency. We could also allow each club to protect one player after the first round of the FA draft.

In my mind this works better if we play more than 2 seasons as we could then get into a where a Core4 could only be picked up in FA after 2 seasons with his Core4 club.

Also I've posed a couple of questions to SOM around the format of our league so stay tuned.
Thoughts?
tks
Rosie

Rosie it's interesting, and would make for a lively league, with much more potential for change between seasons. For these reasons I think it is a good proposal, and should be interesting to play out.

One question I have is -

Is the FA draft intended to be somewhat of an equalizer between the top and bottom clubs, or is it intended to be roughly neutral, and just "stir things up". If it is intended to be an equalizer, don't the top teams have the same potential to draft players from the bottom teams? I'm not sure that the order of the FA draft is a huge equalizer. If it is intended to be an equalizer, should we have rules that tend to provide more "protection" to the bottom finishers?

Also, for the top finishers, I think there is a potential to have your roster completely skewered in the first round of the draft. I think that the rule should be (to protect all teams), that the team that has a player picked from their roster should be entitled to immediately protect another player on their roster. That would prevent them from losing all of the available players on their roster in the first round.

Just my thoughts.

Rosie it's interesting, and would make for a lively league, with much more potential for change between seasons. For these reasons I think it is a good proposal, and should be interesting to play out.

One question I have is -

Is the FA draft intended to be somewhat of an equalizer between the top and bottom clubs, or is it intended to be roughly neutral, and just "stir things up". If it is intended to be an equalizer, don't the top teams have the same potential to draft players from the bottom teams? I'm not sure that the order of the FA draft is a huge equalizer. If it is intended to be an equalizer, should we have rules that tend to provide more "protection" to the bottom finishers?

Also, for the top finishers, I think there is a potential to have your roster completely skewered in the first round of the draft. I think that the rule should be (to protect all teams), that the team that has a player picked from their roster should be entitled to immediately protect another player on their roster. That would prevent them from losing all of the available players on their roster in the first round.

The intent was a bit of both equalizer and shake things up, the fact is that ever since FA came about players have moved and moved frequently so this should give us a that reality. In my mind the draft order would limit the top teams pretty good. Let me play this out...the top 4 teams would get picks 9-12. So 8 players would be signed and under the current proposal the max a club can lose is 2...so the pool shrinks fast. I also like how you further defined the player protection in your second point, immediately after one of your guys gets picked.

R

So it works like this? - The Yankees win season 1 (my made up scenario, at least let me win here) and before year 2 the FA draft starts. The BoSox finished with leagues worst record and the Cubs with the 2nd worst. The BoSox can take any player with a Boston card from any other team - lets say they take Don Baylor who was on my roster at the end of season 1. I then get to protect one other player on my roster. The Cubs then get to pick any player with a Cubs card from any other team with the only limitations being they cannot draft my protected player nor can they draft the player the BoSox just drafted - lets say they take Steve Trout who was on my roster at the end of season 1. Since I have lost 2 guys I am now done losing players in the 2 round free agent draft. So the Dodgers, who finished 3rd worst in the league, cannot take Willie Randolph off my team for year 2. I just wait for my two turns to draft and can pick someone with a Yankee card off any other team roster at the end of year 1, provided they have not already had 2 players picked.


This sounds like a good solution to mix it up and also stop the good teams from losing too many players.

You got it right

I endorse the FA addition

I like the proposed changes.

Are all of your players available for the free agent draft? Or can you protect one or more before the draft? I'd like to protect at least one guy.