17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

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Re: 17.2 Card Add Nominations NOW OPEN until 4/18 or 100 car

PostTue Apr 25, 2017 11:13 am

supertyphoon wrote:
ratioman2 wrote:Supertyphoon, why not replace your nomination with a new one?


Disagree. My nomination will be added, which was the whole point in the first place.

Think of it from a timing perspective, if we had started this process a few weeks later the Barnstormers Tour would've wrapped already, Hafner would already be destined for ATG and you would've picked a different guy initially.

So ultimately up to you, but if you do want to nominate another do it now because I'm about to put together the polls

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Re: 17.2 Card Add Nominations NOW OPEN until 4/18 or 100 car

PostTue Apr 25, 2017 11:23 am

Salty wrote:
Maybe we can continue the discussion about the big add before any decisions are made
about it.

Salty

Of course, always open to poking at this process. Once we get through 17.2 I'll start the 17.3 discussion.
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Re: 17.2 Card Add Nominations NOW OPEN until 4/18 or 100 car

PostTue Apr 25, 2017 2:31 pm

Added card links where possible, cleaned up, added last few nominations to the list.
The card links with a /60 /70 /80 or /90 at the end are from Mystery Games. Mouse over the desired year to see the appropriate card.The defensive ratings are NOT accurate.

KEY:
AVE/OBP/SLG/OPS
BC = Better Card than currently in Set
MBC = Much better card
MMBC = Much Much better card
LL = Led league in that category
MVP-X = where they ended up that season in the MVP voting
CY-X = CY voting
XCards = # of cards in the ATG set

Tried to leave the context of your submission intact but edited for length here and there. We will vote on a separate thread but this will be the post that includes the details/highlights of the players.

1.Bert Campaneris/1970/OAK/SS/279-321-341-769, 22 homers /3 Cards/BC/Hack Wilson
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/731722/1670/1/70

2.Garland Braxton/1928/WAS/SP-RP/13-11, 2 saves/218 IP/1.012 WHIP Badly needed closer for franchise Senators/0 Cards/ bontomn
3.Wally Pipp/1922/NYY/1B/.329/.392/.466 (121 ops+), probably a 4R, should be 1e14 -- /8th in MVP/1 Card/MBC/george barnard
4.Carlos Pena/2007/TB/1B/.282/.411/.627 (46 HR), 2e9, AL comeback Player of the Year, 1st of 3 straight years with 30+ HRs 100+ RBIs, great guy, the RAYs badly need some more players!/9th in MVP/0 Cards/BC15NY
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/885/2007/1/2007

5. Duke Snider/1954/ .341/.423/.647 CF His best card/2 Cards/Steve F
6. Willie Stargell/1973/OF/299 .392 .646 1.038 (OPS+ 186!!) His best year, no 15 game injury/2 Cards/ratioman2
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/741487/1670/1/70

7. Jeff Russell/1989/TEX 72 IP / .95 WHIP / 1.98 ERA / 38 saves. Nomadbrad
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/840457/1680/1/80

8. Kent Hrbek MIN/1987/285/389/545/934/34 Hr 90 RBI/World Series Champion /Chilliards
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/835664/1680/1/80

9. Robinson Cano/2012/313/379/550 1 8R (pssst- he plays 2B!)/1 Card/Salty
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/182/2012/1/2012

10. Vernon Wells/2003/TOR/CF/317/359/550/49 2b's/33 HRs/215 hits/8th in MVP/0 Cards/visick
11.Carlos Zambrano/2004/CHC/SP (probably no *)/16-8/2.75 ERA/'Kerry, Kerry, Kerry got the white bread fan love, Z did the lifting in that era (Prior was always on the DL...)/5th in CY/0 Cards/pcassidy
12. Manny Ramirez/1999/CLV/44HRs/165RBI/333/442/663/2 Cards/Over 600PA's
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/944/1999/1/1999 /FrankM

13. Eric Young/1996/COL/2B/324 BA/393 OBP/53 SB/(31 Ks in 643 PA)/0 Cards/Need another Rockies player added to the collection!/rolandzeut
14. Taylor Douthit/1929/STL/CF-1e12(-1)/336/416/471/Leadoff batter/CF for 1926-1931 Cardinals/13th in MVP/0 Cards/ including 26 World Series/andycummings
15. Matty Alou/1966/PIT/cf/342/373/421/Deserves a better card/9th in MVP/2 Cards/carr20
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/30166/1660/1/60

16. Dizzy Trout/1944/27-14/bests in ERA (2.12), complete games (33) shutouts (seven) and innings (352.1)—while hitting .271 with five home runs and 24 RBIs in 133 at-bats/2nd in MVP/MMBC/2 Cards/fraank123
17. Johnny Mize/1947/NYG/ 51 Homeruns/3rd in MVP/2 Cards/would be fist Giants card/Chris Franco
18. Derrek Lee/2005/CHC/1B/.335-.418-.662-1.080/199 hits & batting title/50 2B, 46 HR & slugging champ/3rd in MVP/both Gold Glove & Silver Slugger/0 Cards/CHC-EXP has no 1B who is both a great hitter & a great fielder/tcochran
19. Dave Orr/1886/.338 /.363 /.527/1B/0 Cards/ — Tied with Heinie Reitz for second-most triples in a single season with 31. (Chief Wilson is first with 36.) I like triples./bcousy57
20. Cesar Tovar. 1970 Twins. 300/356/442 613 AB/1 Card/packleader
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/742159/1670/1/70

21. Mike Henneman/1988/Tigers RP 9-6 1.87 ERA 22 Saves 1.051 WHIP/0 Cards/warrenbob52
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/35230/1690/1/90

22. Nolan Ryan/1991/TEX/career best 1.01 whip led league. 10.6k/9 /EMK
23. Wayne Terwilliger/1959/KC/ 2b/3b/SS/267/335/361/696 / No one has been in professional baseball longer than Twig. A player, coach, and manager for 62 remarkable years. He will be 92 this June./Maxie Minoso
24.Barry Bonds/2004/SF/(the insane .362 BA/.609 OBP/.812 SLG card)/MVP/3 Cards/ ShakeyBoomer
25. Cy Seymour/1905/Reds/377/429/559/988/182 OPS+ CF2(-3) e10 RF2 LF2/3-game injury risk./WeatherNut

26. Nick Punto/2008/MIN/284/344/382/def-2 at all infield positions. Nice all around card to have. MarcPelletier
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/925/2008/1/2008

27. Silver King/1888/StL Browns/45-20/1.63 ERA/64 CG/584.2 IP/258 K, 76, BB/0.874 WHIP/Simply the single greatest pitching season ever recorded/bmcgruder
28. Pete Gray/1945/SLB/LF/218/259/261/520/One armed baseball player/Clayface9
29. Juan Pierre/2004/Marlins/CF/326/374/407/45 SB, led NL with 12 triples & 221 hits, played all 162 games and made only 2 errors. (His 2003 is nearly as good as a 2nd choice.)/GARRETTGOODRICH
30. Jim Spencer/1979/NYY/1B/288/367/593/960 OPS - would be a VERY desirable addition to ATG as a monster platoon 1B lefty (he was a beast vs. rightys) with great defense to boot!/moodymets
31. Mike Norris/1980/OAK/22-9/24 cg, 6.8 hp9/0'cards currently, screwball pitcher's memorable year/honestiago
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/738921/1670/1/70

32. John Hiller /1973/DET/125 IP/10-5/38 saves/1.44 era/1.02 whip/rickburr
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735392/1670/1/70

33. Gary Sheffield /1996/FLA/314/465/624/1.090 /189 OPS best season /casey89
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/1059/1690/1/90

34. George Brett/1976/KC/(.333 for first batting title in a year when there was no hitting at all!)RiggoDrill
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/731286/1670/1/70

35. Ryne Duren/1958/RP (started 1 game)/1.097 WHIP/10.3 SO9/4.3H9/Save leader with 19/ROY-2/AS/MVP-22/ Mumford
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/33313/1660/1/60

36. Kevin MIllar/2004/1b-lf-rf/297/383/474/18 HR/17 HBP - most importantly...walked off of Mo Rivera to help the Red Sox win Game 7 of ALCS and eventually break "The Curse" and beat the Cards in the WS!!!/caimrisek
37. Reggie Sanders/1995/CIN/RF-CF/.306/397/579/975/Only All-Star season/6th in MVP voting/0 Cards/Ragnarokpc

38. Eric Dubose/2003/3-6, 3.79, nice whip at 1.15, but more importantly vs lhp 305/383/402/785, vs rhp/186/258/330/588/jawajedi
39. Johnny Bench/1974/CIN/C/280/363/507/870/4 Cards/James Maple
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/730756/1670/1/70

40. Jose Vidro/2000/MON/2B/330/379/540/918/Doug Tucker
41. Ken "Hawk" Harrelson/1968/BOS/IB/OF/35 HR/109 RBI/275/356/874/Led the league RBI/MRock61
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/34987/1660/1/60

42. Bob Watson/1975/1b/LF, 324/375/495/CTStough
43. Bernard Gilkey/1996/NYM/LF/317/393/562/955/good LF with monster clutch/AndyP92072
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/3946/1690/1/90

44. Clayton Kershaw/2016/LAD/0.725 whip/Best whip ever (.725) for a starting pitcher. This card, like Pedro's best card, is a non*, bolstering the efficacy of five man rotations and providing a nice counterpoint to the already strong Kershaw card/The Last Druid
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90725/2016/1/2016

45. Harry Krause/1909/*9 LHSP - Part of a great '09 A's rotation and a great (14.1 OB units per side) card. The emphasis here is on GREAT CARD, as in IT WILL BE USED!!/Sheikyerboudi
46. Chet Lemon/1979/CWS/CF/318/391/496/44 2b/1D CF/fills CF CWS exp gap for those of of who like to play franchise theme leagues/2cityfan
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/836967/1680/1/80

47. Wes Ferrell/1935/CLV/25-14/3.52 ERA/347 BA/ with 7 HRs and 32 RBIs. His best year as a pitcher and hitter/Typhoon
48. Justin Morneau/2006/MIN/321/.375/.559, MVP year, decent glove. 34 HRs, 130 RBI. In other years, he came in second in the MVP two years later, and lead the NL in hitting in 2014/0 cards/pbebus
49. Hubie Brooks/1985/MON/SS/269/413/723 - 10th in mvp and depth to MON SS/garmonaitis
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/831354/1680/1/80

50. Heinie Manush/1928/SLB/378/47 doubles/20 triples/13HR/989 OPS/2nd in MVP/MBC/Roosky
51. Glenn Beckert/1971/CHC/342A/367obp/only 9 e at 2B/11th in MVP/egvrich
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/730697/1670/1/70

52. Chris Davis/2013 BAL/1B/286/370/634/1004/53HRs/htintx
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/1340/2013/1/2013

53. Carlos Baerga/1993/CLE/2B/321-355-486-840, hated when he came to the plate against my O's. power hitting 2B/cassidygt
54. David Eckstein/2005/ANA/158 games - 97 R - 294 AVE - 363 OB% - 758 OPS - 981 Fielding % - 2x WS Champ - got more out of his ability than anyone during his time/Vernst
55. Buzz Capra/1974/ATL/16-8/2.28 era/1.14whip/9th in CY/20th in MVP/scorehouse
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/731773/1670/1/70

56. Albert Belle/1998/CWS/LF/.328 - .399 - .655 690. Arguably the best offensive full season in White Sox history. Set team records for HRs (49), RBI (152) and extra base hits (99). Played in 163 games, so injury free. Led AL in SLG (.655), OPS (1.055), OPS+ (172), extra base hits & TB (399). 2nd in AL in HRs, 2B (48), RBI and offensive WAR (7.3). Career high 200 hits. 3rd in AL in BA. Surprisingly, led AL in LF putouts and double plays and was 3rd in range factor. BDWard
57. JJ Putz 2007/RHRP/SEA/6-1/71 IP/1.38 ERA/.698 WHIP/13th in MVP vote. Would give the Mariners a dominant Bullpen. M's need SS, C, LF and Pitching Pitching Pitching JJ would help. Palerydr2.0
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90466/2007/1/2007

58. Roger Maris 1960/NYY/ OBP .371/SLG .581/ OPS .952 /OPS+ 160. Gold Glove. His first MVP year (and 2nd card). Radical platoon split (1.070 vs RHP), so a force at higher salary caps. RF & CF./Outta Leftfield
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/37521/1660/1/60

59. Adolfo Phillips/1967/CUBS/CF/268/384/458/842/0Cards/cardiaccubbie
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/39511/1660/1/60

60. Cuckoo Christensen/1926/CIN/OF/.350-.426-.438/Lead NL in OBP/No power Lefty with a huge RHP bias like Weintraub. Played briefly in 1927 then never got back to the bigs/ScumbyJr
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... cu01.shtml
61. Roy Sievers/WAS/1957/301/388/579/967/BC/led league in HR and RBI first man to do so for a last place team/3rd in MVP behind Williams and Mantle/2 Cards/just passed, would be a small but nice tribute to have his best season in ATG/Rosie2167
62. Luis Salazar/1980/Padres/337/3B OF/2Cards/Only player I had to be offered for 4 different players in a trade cas he tripled all the time! 7 triples in 169 ABs. Utility type guy with speed. (Sentimental favorite like Billy Grabarkewitz). Sincerely, Delivery Boy... (Chuck1234)
63. Barry Zito/2002/OAK/23-5/2.75 ERA/1.13 WHIP/229.1 IP/182 K/0Cards/Cy Young Award winner/davesquare3
64. Aramis Ramirez /2004/CUBS/3B/318/373/578/951/596AB/36 HRs Career highs in RUNS, BA, SLG, OBP, OPS, OPS+.best offensive season. A consistent run producer throughout his career and an underrated defensive player. He is deserving of an ATG card/0Cards/PJK
65. Roger Metzger /1973/HOU/SS/250/299/322/621/14 triples - GG. Best fielding SS from 70's,he will hit a triple every now and then/0Cards/LMBombers
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/738169/1670/1/70

66. John Wockenfuss/1980/DET/C-1B-LF-RF/HR bat against lefties/274/390/449/839/0Cards/jlt53
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/743120/1670/1/70

67. Rick Ankiel/2000/STL/SP/11-7/3.5 ERA/1.297whip/0Cards/ROY-2/Musial6
68. Placido Polanco/2007/DET/2B-2 E-0/341/388/458/36 DB/16 seasons with a career .297 BA, 3 GG. In 2007 he played 2B in 142 games without making a single error!/MVP-17/0Cards/Radagast Brown
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/918/2007/1/2007

69. Bill Joyce/1894/WAS/3B/355/496/648/1.143/0Cards/jrb16915
70. Vladimir Guerrero/2000/MON/RF/345/410/664/1.074 - His best card and future hall of famer/MVP-6/1 card/djp_77
71. Mark Teixeira /2005 TEX/1B/.301/.379/.575/144 RBIs/3 errors/MVP-7/.998 field pct/SWITCH HITTER, WE NEED MORE SWITCH HITTERS!! Tex deserves a card!/lanier64
72. Dick McAuliffe/1966/274/373/509/882/His main position was shortstop in 1966. The only good lefty hitting SS
in ATG who are 3 or better Vaughan, Lloyd, Travis and Pesky. He more then likely have a range of 3. Here is a link to his mystery cards which has a 1966 season on it. http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/37720/1660/1/60 / DARRELLPICKELL
73. Mike Epstein/1969/WAS/1B/278/414/551/965/30hrs/0Cards/MVP-30/Bunze0
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/33511/1660/1/60

74. Jim Hearn / 1950/NYG/SP/RP/11-4/2.49era/.955whip/5 sho/11cg/LL era and sho/Great super-reliever/mikemartinfl
75. Luis Aparicio /1970/CWS/SS/313/372/404/776/HOF SS/best season/MVP12/career highs in BA, SLG, OBP, OPS & OPS+. Last of 9 Gold Gloves. Most HOFers have their best card, but not Aparicio. CWS desperately need expansion SS/Big Willie
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/730257/1670/1/70

76. Harry Agganis/1955/BOS/1B/313/383/458/841/less than 100 plate appearances but was due to illness and death in June 1955 at age of 26/0Cards/ http://www.agganisfoundation.com/bio/bio.html /MrBaseballWorld
77. Ray Durham/1998/CWS/2b-2/285/363/455/818/0Cards/majicmg
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/323/1690/1/90

78. Mike Lowell/2007/BOS/3b/324/378/501/879/MVP-5/rookssa12
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/685/2007/1/2007

79. Torii Hunter/2007/MIN/287/334/505/839/ 1 in CF with a -3 arm/MVP-13/GG/schwabdude12
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/545/2007/1/2007

80. Pie Traynor/1923/PIT/3B/338/377/489/866/19 triples LL/sdajr76

81. Dock Ellis/1974/SP/12-9/3.16era/9cg/1.155whip/YettieJohnston
82. Jackie Jensen/1958/BOS/MVP/286/396/535/931/BC/35hr/122rbi LL/gsnsn2
83. Mickey Mantle/1957/NYY/CF/365/512/665/1.177/MVP/Thomasmore
84. Tony Armas/1984/BOS/CF-RF/1Card/MMBC/268/300/531/831/MVP-7/43hrs LL/123rbi LL/stratoholic
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/830283/1680/1/80

85. Ted Williams/1949/BOS/LF/3e6(-2)/4R/343/490/650/1.141/MVP/Toine
86. BJ Ryan/2006/TOR/RP/65g/38svs/1.37era/.857whip/great season and Jays need a good lefty reliever/toronto50
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Re: 17.2 Card Add Nominations NOW OPEN until 4/18 or 100 car

PostTue Apr 25, 2017 2:48 pm

1954 Duke Snider vs Righties : .345 .424 .669 1.093
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Re: 17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

PostTue Apr 25, 2017 7:22 pm

there are only 5 lefty relievers currently with a lower whip than the bj ryan 2006
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Re: 17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

PostWed Apr 26, 2017 3:45 pm

I realize this is too late to bring this up, but it the 07 Torii Hunter his best card? I looked him up and he has several seasons that appear to be close. His best hitting card is a RF only, so that's out. Hunter should be represented with a 1 CF card, as in his prime he was one of the best CF'rs I've seen. He's a favorite of mine, and I'd really like to see his best card get in
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Re: 17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

PostWed Apr 26, 2017 3:53 pm

His stats from 2002 look about the same as his 2007. He may have had a couple of negligibly better years with the Angels, but I like the fact that his Twins card was nominated. It'd be like giving Albert Pujols his first ATG card as an Angel in stead of a Cardinal.
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Re: 17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

PostWed Apr 26, 2017 5:38 pm

andycummings65 wrote:His stats from 2002 look about the same as his 2007. He may have had a couple of negligibly better years with the Angels, but I like the fact that his Twins card was nominated. It'd be like giving Albert Pujols his first ATG card as an Angel in stead of a Cardinal.

I agree. Also , as always pricing weighs heavily. If the 2007 Hunter is priced around $4.8 -$5.2 I can see a lot of use out of it. Over $6 not so much
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Re: 17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

PostWed Apr 26, 2017 7:13 pm

C'mon folks--

Cano has 18 votes and Vidro has 24
this is kind of nuts, nothing against Vidro but Cano is a 1E8 who kills Righties-
should be a no brainer :evil: :cry:
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Re: 17.2 Card Add - Use this string to review nominations

PostThu Apr 27, 2017 12:33 am

Salty wrote:C'mon folks--

Cano has 18 votes and Vidro has 24
this is kind of nuts, nothing against Vidro but Cano is a 1E8 who kills Righties-
should be a no brainer :evil: :cry:


Vidro has a nice card in spite of the average glove,he also is badly needed by the Expos franchise who currently have Juan Bell as their top 2nd baseman.Its possible for both Cano and Vidro to get voted in. At least Cano already has a card which I see gets often used.

I nominated and voted for Vidro. I also voted for Cano.
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