New Cards Added

I previously stated the NEW Kershaw card is underpriced by about 95 cents......I just realized it's a 5 man rotation card.....CORRECTION............pricing is GOOD.....and boy, he will make 5 man rotations in BIG cap leagues a SCARY REALITY!

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90725/2016/1/281

Just noticed we got the 2007 Youkilis and NOT his BEST Card. It must have been the 1e0 that did it?

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/1262/2008/1/2008

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That was a Barnstormers champ pick.

I love the Placid Polanco card. Value. Slow as slug, though.

Actually, many cards that were voted were thought to have an impact on 200M leagues, but once you compare them with cards that already exist, you see the impact is minimal (I think of Snider, Guerrero, Belle, Hafner, Ramirez...)

I went through several lists in the other thread, and the offensive cards that could have an immediate impact on 200M leagues that I can see is pretty thin, actually....

1884 Fred Dunlap .412 .448 .621 1.069 2b
1889 Fred Carroll .330 .486 .484 .970 multiple positions including catching
1895 Jack Clements .394/.446/.612 C
1895 Jessie Burkett .405 .482 .519 1.001
1905 Cy Semour .377 .429 .559 .988
1910 Sherry Magee . 331 .445 .507 .952 (Has a 5.40M based on .288/.354/.483)
1912 Heine zimmerman (Has a 0.97M card)
1925 Henry Rice
1930 George Watkins .373/.415/.621 RF/1B/LF/CF/2B (has only sub-1M cards)
1944 Dixie Walker (Has a 4.59M card)
1954 Dusty Rhodes .341/.410/.695 LF/CF/RF
1994 Kevin Mitchell .326 .429 .681 1.110 (has a 6.68M card based on .291/.388/.635)
2012 Robinson Cano .313 .379 .550 because of the 8R (he was priced at 11.82M, so likely a 9M card)

In the borderline category...
1894 Bill Joyce .355/.496/.648 3B 4e65, so likely to be used only as a dh
2000 Richard Hidalgo .314/.391/.636 CF/RF/LF (was helped a lot by the stadium)
2005 Tony Clark .304/.366/.636 1B
2009 Kevin Youkilis (2-inj, was priced 9,24M in regular 2009; his 2008 card was priced higher because of no-injury (10,55M)
2011 Mike Napoli .320/.414/.631 C/1B (a 3-injury set at 8,41M in regular 20XX)
2011 Jose Bautista .302/.447/.608 RF 3e9/3B 3e14 (Aaron winner, set at 11,76M, a 9-10M likely card)
2011 Matt Kemp .324 .399 .586 1(-2)e5, priced at 12.80 in regular 2011
2012 Joey Vitto .337 .474 .567 inj-4 3R 9.58M in regular 20XX
2008 Mike Fontenot (I left him there, but I don't think his card won't get higher than 6-7M card)
2013 Chris Davis .286 .370 .634 1 6R 10.14M (same goes here, likely a 6-7M card)

Otherwise, we will repeat pretty much the same pattern of reproducing cards that already exist in more or less of the same quality

THis list comes from another thread:

In the category, "we already have a 9.5M+ card so not likely to change the ATG set"
1923 Tris Speaker .380/.469/.610 OF (1922 is pretty similar)
1924 Babe Ruth .378/.513/.739 RF/LF/CF (plus 1932)
1925 Rogers Hornsby .403/.489/.756 2B (MVP, Triple Crown)
1927 Al Simmons .392/.436/.645 CF/LF/RF (1931 is pretty similar)
1933 Jimmie Foxx .356/.449/.703 1B/SS (MVP, Triple Crown)
1936 Lou Gehrig .354/.478/.696 1B (MVP)
1947 Ralph Kiner .313/.417/.639 LF
1949 Ted Williams .343/.490/.650 OF (MVP -- but don't forget the Triple Crown years 1942 & 1947)
1951 Stan Musial .355/.449/.614 lf/1B/CF/RF (also 1943 and 1954)
1957 Mickey Mantle .365/.512/.665 CF (MVP -- also 1955 & 1962)
1962 Frank Robinson .342/.421/.624 RF/LF
1971 Hank Aaron .327/.410/.669 1B/RF
1996 Ken Griffey .303/.392/.628 CF
1996 Alex Rodriguez .358/.414/.631 SS (but also 2001 & 2002 Aaron winner both years plus 2000)
2001 Jason Giambi .342/.477/.660 1B
2003 Todd Helton .358/.458/.630 1B
2004 Barry Bonds .362/.609/.812 LF (Not likely to have a great card because the OBP was fueled by 120 IBB)
2007 Chipper Jones .337/.425/.604 3B (or 2001)
2003 Albert Pujols .359/.439/.667 LF/1B (Aaron winner -- 2004 possible too)


In the category "we already have a 6M+ card and this new card is not likely to be that much better"
1895 Ed Delahanty .404/.500/.617 OF/SS/2B/3B
1895 Sam Thompson .392/.430/.654 OF
1899 John McGraw
1922 Wally Pipp/NYY/1B/.329/.392/.466 (121 ops+), probably a 4R,
1923 Harry Heilman .403/.481/.632 OF/1B
1928 Paul Waner
1930 Lefty O'Doul .383/.453/.604 LF
1923 Ed Roush (Has a 6.42M based on .339/.377/.494)
1928 Heine Manush .378 .414 .575 .989 (Has a 6.01 based on .355/.400/.500)
1930 Chick Hafey .336/.407/.652 OF (though 1928 might have been his better all around year)
1930 Ed Morgan .349/.413/.601 1B/RF (has a 6.63M card on roughly similar stats)
1928 Goose Goslin .379/.442/.614 OF
1935 Hank Greenberg .328/.411/.628 1B (MVP -- though 1937 is probably a better year)
1936 Bill Dickey .362/.428/.617 C
1939 Johnny Mize .349/.444/.626 1B
1954 Eddie Mathews .290/.423/.603 3B/LF (also 1955)
1958 Ernie Banks .313/.366/.614 SS (MVP)
1954 Ted Kluszewski .326/.407/.642 1B (Has already a 6.42M based on.314/.382/.585)
1972 Billy Williams .333/.398/.606 LF/1B
1993 Andres Galarraga .370/.403/.602 1B (though probably tainted by Colorado affiliation)
1999 Brian Giles .315/.418/.614 CF/RF/LF (a 3 in center, a 2 in the corners)
2000 Moises Alou .355/.416/.623 RF/LF
2001 Sammy Sosa (domainant card vs lhp)
2003 Vernon Wells /TOR/CF/317/359/550/49 2b's/33 HRs
2006 Jermaine Dye .315/.385/.622 RF
2010 Miquel Cabrera .328/.420/.622 1B (though a better case could be made for either 2011 & 2012)
2014 Troy Tulowitzki (a 4-inj card set at 10,70M in regular 20XX)
2006 David Ortiz .287/.413/.636 1B (plus 2004/2005/2016)
2007 Prince Fielder .288/.395/.618 1B (Aaron winner; likely a 7M card, was priced 8,90M in 2007)
2007 Ryan Braun .324/.370/.634 3B (bad d 5e39), was priced 6,09M in ATG; but it's a 9L card that would be a probable starter ATG 200M league)
1937 Rudy York
1995 Edgar Martinez .356/.479/.628 3B/1B
1996 Gary Sheffield .314/.465/.624 RF
1998 Juan Gonzalez .318/.366/.630 RF (MVP) (1993 & 1999 are possibiilities)
1999 Jason Kendall .428 .511 .939 6-inj 1R
2000 Pudge Rodriguez 375 .667 1.042 likely high-injury though
2000 Gary Sheffield
2009 Troy Tulowitzki (his highest strat card at 10,74M, but not better than 2014)
2010 Justin Morneau .345/.437/.618 1B (a 5 injury, so his card won't be priced very high -- but a sweet card)

Greatest deception for me is Eric Dubose. Wasn't he priced at 3.07M? In regular 20XX?? I never thought his pricetag will go up to 5M!!

I know his nomination irritated the purists, but this card was a SOM-all-star, so I loved the idea....but I thought/hoped his priced tag would stay the same...just shows how much he was underpriced back then...

Marc...

My guess is, there are managers voting for personal reasons, and NOT taking into account the impact of their card.

ie. The Piazza card on the Mets (6L). We already have his best cards, but someone wanted his Mets card. There are others but this one comes to mind. This card would be OK in a team based theme league, coupled with Todd Hundley (5R).
But of course, Hundley didn't make it in.

visick

Greatest deception for me is Eric Dubose. Wasn't he priced at 3.07M? In regular 20XX?? I never thought his pricetag will go up to 5M!!

I know his nomination irritated the purists, but this card was a SOM-all-star, so I loved the idea....but I thought/hoped his priced tag would stay the same...just shows how much he was underpriced back then...

I don't understand the pricing. It seems like he would be more valuable using the 2003 set given the limited number of lefty batters. IS it the RP option that increases his value in ATG?

Marc...

My guess is, there are managers voting for personal reasons, and NOT taking into account the impact of their card.

ie. The Piazza card on the Mets (6L). We already have his best cards, but someone wanted his Mets card. There are others but this one comes to mind. This card would be OK in a team based theme league, coupled with Todd Hundley (5R).
But of course, Hundley didn't make it in.

visick

SOOOOO MUCH THE CASE!!
SOOOOO MUCH WHY ITS FRUSTRATING-- especially when you have a couple of guys who don't seem to understand this very basic concept and argue vociferously for choosing a mostly non-usable card.