Summer - Winter Keeper League - SEASON 30

Liverpool has three Prospect (not Free Agent) #1 Draft Picks in this year's draft. I believe #6, #8, and #11 overall. West Island, Petaluma, and Liverpool. I would like to trade one of them for a Prospect draft pick in next year's draft and Free Agent picks in this year's draft. I'm not looking for any #1s in return. Just curious to see what anyone wants to offer. The 5th pick overall is a solid prospect. I don't feel an urgent need to trade, but, I would like to flip a Prospect pick forward to next year and see what I can get for free agent picks, this year.

In addition, I have three highly regarded Shortstops in Lindor, Russell, and Arcia. I am sure I value them too highly for most, if not all, of the other managers to pay for. Nevertheless, if someone wants to sniff at one of them, they are all available. Yes, I know Russell is under performing while starting what appears to be a messy domestic problem and divorce. Yes, I know Lindor has picked up his power at the expense of a lot of batting average which I'm sure his batting instructors are trying to tweak. Yes, I know Arcia hasn't really proven much, yet. They are all 22 or 23 (Lindor turns 24 in November) and premier recent products of their farm systems (more so Oakland than Chicago for Russell). I don't have an inside track on any information apart from what's publicly available. I don't have a crystal ball. I only know what their upsides are at this stage of their careers.

As some of the other managers can attest to, my judgment of value is really screwed up and I am hugely inflexible. I've never made a trade in this league adding roster spaces and I can't imagine what I would be offered to do it, now. The majority of my trades involve draft picks coming back to me in exchange for whoever I am trading. I've traded three Cy Young award winners - all for draft picks, only. One look at my roster will give a good picture of how I think. Lots of prospects who have contributed two years or less to my team and no starting pitching to speak of. I'm not looking for established starting pitchers is what that means.

Send a PM or reply to this post if you are interested.

Available to deal

Prospect picks this year 1st rounders #1, 5 and 9 overall
FA picks 1st rounder #1 overall, 2-2nd rounders, 3-3rd rounders
Kennys Vargas
Sonny Gray
Jayson Werth
Ichiro Suzuki
AJ Reed (prospect)

PM if interested, I'm sure we can strike a deal.

Liverpool has three Prospect (not Free Agent) #1 Draft Picks in this year's draft. I believe #5, #7, and #11 overall. West Island, Petaluma, and Liverpool. I would like to trade one of them for a Prospect draft pick in next year's draft and Free Agent picks in this year's draft. I'm not looking for any #1s in return. Just curious to see what anyone wants to offer. The 5th pick overall is a solid prospect. I don't feel an urgent need to trade, but, I would like to flip a Prospect pick forward to next year and see what I can get for free agent picks, this year.

In addition, I have three highly regarded Shortstops in Lindor, Russell, and Arcia. I am sure I value them too highly for most, if not all, of the other managers to pay for. Nevertheless, if someone wants to sniff at one of them, they are all available. Yes, I know Russell is under performing while starting what appears to be a messy domestic problem and divorce. Yes, I know Lindor has picked up his power at the expense of a lot of batting average which I'm sure his batting instructors are trying to tweak. Yes, I know Arcia hasn't really proven much, yet. They are all 22 or 23 (Lindor turns 24 in November) and premier recent products of their farm systems (more so Oakland than Chicago for Russell). I don't have an inside track on any information apart from what's publicly available. I don't have a crystal ball. I only know what their upsides are at this stage of their careers.

As some of the other managers can attest to, my judgment of value is really screwed up and I am hugely inflexible. I've never made a trade in this league adding roster spaces and I can't imagine what I would be offered to do it, now. The majority of my trades involve draft picks coming back to me in exchange for whoever I am trading. I've traded three Cy Young award winners - all for draft picks, only. One look at my roster will give a good picture of how I think. Lots of prospects who have contributed two years or less to my team and no starting pitching to speak of. I'm not looking for established starting pitchers is what that means.

Send a PM or reply to this post if you are interested.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying you overvalue your players? Or undervalue them, because I've got to be honest after reading this post it seems like you are saying "go ahead and make me offers, but unless you plan an paying through the nose for any of my players we won't get a deal done."

Not sure how you expect anyone to make you offers under those circumstances.

Liverpool has three Prospect (not Free Agent) #1 Draft Picks in this year's draft. I believe #5, #7, and #11 overall. West Island, Petaluma, and Liverpool. I would like to trade one of them for a Prospect draft pick in next year's draft and Free Agent picks in this year's draft. I'm not looking for any #1s in return. Just curious to see what anyone wants to offer. The 5th pick overall is a solid prospect. I don't feel an urgent need to trade, but, I would like to flip a Prospect pick forward to next year and see what I can get for free agent picks, this year.

In addition, I have three highly regarded Shortstops in Lindor, Russell, and Arcia. I am sure I value them too highly for most, if not all, of the other managers to pay for. Nevertheless, if someone wants to sniff at one of them, they are all available. Yes, I know Russell is under performing while starting what appears to be a messy domestic problem and divorce. Yes, I know Lindor has picked up his power at the expense of a lot of batting average which I'm sure his batting instructors are trying to tweak. Yes, I know Arcia hasn't really proven much, yet. They are all 22 or 23 (Lindor turns 24 in November) and premier recent products of their farm systems (more so Oakland than Chicago for Russell). I don't have an inside track on any information apart from what's publicly available. I don't have a crystal ball. I only know what their upsides are at this stage of their careers.

As some of the other managers can attest to, my judgment of value is really screwed up and I am hugely inflexible. I've never made a trade in this league adding roster spaces and I can't imagine what I would be offered to do it, now. The majority of my trades involve draft picks coming back to me in exchange for whoever I am trading. I've traded three Cy Young award winners - all for draft picks, only. One look at my roster will give a good picture of how I think. Lots of prospects who have contributed two years or less to my team and no starting pitching to speak of. I'm not looking for established starting pitchers is what that means.

Send a PM or reply to this post if you are interested.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying you overvalue your players? Or undervalue them, because I've got to be honest after reading this post it seems like you are saying "go ahead and make me offers, but unless you plan an paying through the nose for any of my players we won't get a deal done."

Not sure how you expect anyone to make you offers under those circumstances.

You didn't get a 3 page memo on how a deal must be constructed if you want to with Denorien? I wished I would have saved it, basically if you want to deal with him, it must be his way of dealing otherwise there will be no deal made. I head scratcher for sure, take it from past experiences.

Liverpool has three Prospect (not Free Agent) #1 Draft Picks in this year's draft. I believe #6, #8, and #11 overall. West Island, Petaluma, and Liverpool. I would like to trade one of them for a Prospect draft pick in next year's draft and Free Agent picks in this year's draft. I'm not looking for any #1s in return. Just curious to see what anyone wants to offer. The 5th pick overall is a solid prospect. I don't feel an urgent need to trade, but, I would like to flip a Prospect pick forward to next year and see what I can get for free agent picks, this year.

In addition, I have three highly regarded Shortstops in Lindor, Russell, and Arcia. I am sure I value them too highly for most, if not all, of the other managers to pay for. Nevertheless, if someone wants to sniff at one of them, they are all available. Yes, I know Russell is under performing while starting what appears to be a messy domestic problem and divorce. Yes, I know Lindor has picked up his power at the expense of a lot of batting average which I'm sure his batting instructors are trying to tweak. Yes, I know Arcia hasn't really proven much, yet. They are all 22 or 23 (Lindor turns 24 in November) and premier recent products of their farm systems (more so Oakland than Chicago for Russell). I don't have an inside track on any information apart from what's publicly available. I don't have a crystal ball. I only know what their upsides are at this stage of their careers.

As some of the other managers can attest to, my judgment of value is really screwed up and I am hugely inflexible. I've never made a trade in this league adding roster spaces and I can't imagine what I would be offered to do it, now. The majority of my trades involve draft picks coming back to me in exchange for whoever I am trading. I've traded three Cy Young award winners - all for draft picks, only. One look at my roster will give a good picture of how I think. Lots of prospects who have contributed two years or less to my team and no starting pitching to speak of. I'm not looking for established starting pitchers is what that means.

Send a PM or reply to this post if you are interested.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying you overvalue your players? Or undervalue them, because I've got to be honest after reading this post it seems like you are saying "go ahead and make me offers, but unless you plan an paying through the nose for any of my players we won't get a deal done."

Not sure how you expect anyone to make you offers under those circumstances.

You didn't get a 3 page memo on how a deal must be constructed if you want to with Denorien? I wished I would have saved it, basically if you want to deal with him, it must be his way of dealing otherwise there will be no deal made. I head scratcher for sure, take it from past experiences.

The short answer is, "Yes." Lakeview Dave and I have had the most difficulty trying to speak the same language. I'm pretty sure he was angry and felt I was trolling him or being an ass just to tweak him off. Which I really wasn't and it bothers me to be that misunderstood. Dave may never again discuss a trade with me as a result.

So, I want to disclaim my being screwed up in advance. My trades either go very easy like the draft picks with ALK58, last year, which locked up Benintendi for him or when I traded Greinke for a #2 a few years ago or King Felix and a #4 for two #1s and a #2 a couple years ago. JF, our commish, and other managers have also struggled to talk the same language with me. Though, I don't think they felt as strongly as Dave did. Bottom line is the way I evaluate talent and futures isn't always the same as other managers.

The easier trade with me is probably for the Prospect #1 (6th or 8th over all). If someone felt very strongly about one of my shortstops and wanted to view their future upside like I do, we can probably swing a deal. All three of them were Baseball America top 10 by the age of 20 and are firmly established starters in MLB, today. I can't take the risks away with what might happen with any of them in the future. Ultimately, the best approach is to pursue the prospect #1 and then fish a name around for the SS to see if I bite.

Guess I should feel lucky I have Swanson, Diaz and Turner.

Way to much work there for me.

DROPS (11)
Blanks, Kyle
Gosselin, Phil
Blanco, Andres
Cabrera, Melky
Jaso, John
Phegley, Josh
Street, Huston
Young, Chris
Giles, Ken
Sipp, Tony
Hahn, Jesse

PROSPECT DROP (1)
Motter, Taylor

PROMOTION (1)
Grossman, Robbie

40 - 11 + 1 = 30

Drops posted: 10 down, 2 to go

Waiting on:
ironwill1
tpiercersn

Liverpool has three Prospect (not Free Agent) #1 Draft Picks in this year's draft. I believe #6, #8, and #11 overall. West Island, Petaluma, and Liverpool. I would like to trade one of them for a Prospect draft pick in next year's draft and Free Agent picks in this year's draft. I'm not looking for any #1s in return. Just curious to see what anyone wants to offer. The 5th pick overall is a solid prospect. I don't feel an urgent need to trade, but, I would like to flip a Prospect pick forward to next year and see what I can get for free agent picks, this year.

In addition, I have three highly regarded Shortstops in Lindor, Russell, and Arcia. I am sure I value them too highly for most, if not all, of the other managers to pay for. Nevertheless, if someone wants to sniff at one of them, they are all available. Yes, I know Russell is under performing while starting what appears to be a messy domestic problem and divorce. Yes, I know Lindor has picked up his power at the expense of a lot of batting average which I'm sure his batting instructors are trying to tweak. Yes, I know Arcia hasn't really proven much, yet. They are all 22 or 23 (Lindor turns 24 in November) and premier recent products of their farm systems (more so Oakland than Chicago for Russell). I don't have an inside track on any information apart from what's publicly available. I don't have a crystal ball. I only know what their upsides are at this stage of their careers.

As some of the other managers can attest to, my judgment of value is really screwed up and I am hugely inflexible. I've never made a trade in this league adding roster spaces and I can't imagine what I would be offered to do it, now. The majority of my trades involve draft picks coming back to me in exchange for whoever I am trading. I've traded three Cy Young award winners - all for draft picks, only. One look at my roster will give a good picture of how I think. Lots of prospects who have contributed two years or less to my team and no starting pitching to speak of. I'm not looking for established starting pitchers is what that means.

Send a PM or reply to this post if you are interested.

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying you overvalue your players? Or undervalue them, because I've got to be honest after reading this post it seems like you are saying "go ahead and make me offers, but unless you plan an paying through the nose for any of my players we won't get a deal done."

Not sure how you expect anyone to make you offers under those circumstances.[/quote]


You didn't get a 3 page memo on how a deal must be constructed if you want to with Denorien? I wished I would have saved it, basically if you want to deal with him, it must be his way of dealing otherwise there will be no deal made. I head scratcher for sure, take it from past experiences.[/quote]

The short answer is, "Yes." Lakeview Dave and I have had the most difficulty trying to speak the same language. I'm pretty sure he was angry and felt I was trolling him or being an ass just to tweak him off. Which I really wasn't and it bothers me to be that misunderstood. Dave may never again discuss a trade with me as a result.

So, I want to disclaim my being screwed up in advance. My trades either go very easy like the draft picks with ALK58, last year, which locked up Benintendi for him or when I traded Greinke for a #2 a few years ago or King Felix and a #4 for two #1s and a #2 a couple years ago. JF, our commish, and other managers have also struggled to talk the same language with me. Though, I don't think they felt as strongly as Dave did. Bottom line is the way I evaluate talent and futures isn't always the same as other managers.

The easier trade with me is probably for the Prospect #1 (6th or 8th over all). If someone felt very strongly about one of my shortstops and wanted to view their future upside like I do, we can probably swing a deal. All three of them were Baseball America top 10 by the age of 20 and are firmly established starters in MLB, today. I can't take the risks away with what might happen with any of them in the future. Ultimately, the best approach is to pursue the prospect #1 and then fish a name around for the SS to see if I bite.[/quote]

Don't you mean speak your language? You make it to be your way or no way. Not how I will conduct trades that is for sure, it takes two to make a deal. Angry, far from it. I now know who I will try to deal with and who I will not. Sorry, but your criteria for making a deal make it near impossible to even discuss one. For me, as much as I like to deal, is not worth the effort, so I have chosen to just stay away. In all my years playing SOM, I have never been given rules such as yours to make a deal. Its your team, and you can do what you want with it, but as others have pointed out and as you have, you make it very difficult to even have a conversation about a deal.

Simplified rosters updated at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1761613571

NOTE TO DENORIEN: If I have followed along correctly, I count 5 prospects on your roster and 6 prospect picks in the draft. The last one will be forfeited when it rolls around, unless you change something along the way