17.4 Card Add direction...

I'd like to see the additions spread out over the range of years, something like:

5 apiece from the following years:

1900-1923
1924-1946
1947-1969
1970-1992
1993-2016

or 6 apiece from the following years (with one left over for ties):

1900-1929
1930-1959
1960-1989
1990-2016

or 8 apiece from the following years (with one left over for ties):

1900-1939
1940-1979
1980-2016

Bill

Actually its more likely the injury factor since no one got 600 ABs they are all 15 game risks.

well, that's another reason...

dumb question is there a similar issue/problem w/ '94 and '95 season cards? (other strike-shortened seasons)

Good question-
don't recall how much of the season was missed.

Think in 81 most folks didn't make it to 500 ABs.

Actually its more likely the injury factor since no one got 600 ABs they are all 15 game risks.

well, that's another reason...

dumb question is there a similar issue/problem w/ '94 and '95 season cards? (other strike-shortened seasons)

They recently added the entire 1994 Montreal Expos team. The major league leader in AB in 1994 was Dante Bichette with 484.

So short answer is yes, similar issue.

Longer answer would be is that accurately taken into account in the pricing of a card-

I'm not convinced it is-- the 81 Schmidt seems to me like it would be priced just right for non 15 game injury risk.

So short answer is yes, similar issue.

Longer answer would be is that accurately taken into account in the pricing of a card-

I'm not convinced it is-- the 81 Schmidt seems to me like it would be priced just right for non 15 game injury risk.

That's a card I would love to see. The 81 Nolan Ryan too.

At some point I'd love to see an addition of some seriously good low-priced platoon cards. These would add a refreshing degree of variety to the play at lower caps, e.g. 60, 80, 100M. Currently the same few platoon players are used over and over. Several of these cards might be strong enough to use at 140M and 200M. Many of these players would also fulfill franchise needs.

What if we gave 5 cards to this group in this round? I don't think that would be unreasonable.

Players could be recruited from the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s mystery card games, plus some of the more recent league seasons. This would allow us to evaluate the actual cards.

Here are a few examples, taken just from the 1990s Mystery Card set. There are plenty more like this in the 60s, 70s, and 80s sets. None of the players below has a card in ATG. Many had lengthy careers.

Given below are name, year, team, positions played, OPS, and BAL.

Let's start with a few lefty-killers:
Matt Mieske 1999 Houston; Rated at RF/LF: 858 6L.
Rex Hudler 1996 Anaheim; Rated at 2B, RF/LF/CF: .893 4L.
Gerald Williams 1998 Atlanta; Rated at RF/LF/CF: .856 7L
Casey Candalele 1990 Atlanta; Rated at 2B/SS/3B/LF/CF: .761 4L
Mariano Duncan 1990 CIN; Rated at 2b/SS/3B/LF; .821 8L
Mark Parent 1995, CHC; Rated at C; .781 5L

Now some righty-killers:
Rob Ducey 1993, TEX; Rated at OF; .845 7R
Sam Horn 1997, BOS; Rated at 1B; .945 2R
Bill Spiers 1997, HOU; Rated at 3B/SS/2B/CF; .919 3R
Keith Lockhart 1995, KC; Rated at 2B/3B; .833 6R
Chip Hale 1993, MIN; Rated at 2B/3B/1B; .833 7R
Nelson Liriano 1993, COL; Rated at 2B/SS/3B; .800 5R
Todd Hundley 1994 NYM; Rated at C; .943 4R

I think it would be great if we could nominate and vote on a group of cards like these. To review the advantages: 1) such cards would strengthen the limited platoon options for lower price leagues. 2) Such cards would add several players currently without cards. 3) Many of these players cover multiple positions --they were real-life role players, and could serve the same function in SOM; 4) They could be selected to plug franchise holes. 5) Overall, they'd likely have relatively cheap price tags, yet will offer a high degree of utility.

A note about defensive positions. I didn't indicate defensive ratings since these might vary in a given year from the mystery card ratings. Also, in some years, a player might not cover all of the indicated positions.

Again, these are just samples. There are plenty more cards like this in the various mystery card leagues, and we can actually assess their hitting characteristics, since we have the real cards to examine. We won't know their actual defensive ratings, but can probably make educated guesses.

'94 Big Hurt had 508 AB/BB total and no injury - otherwise, yes, injury risk is the biggest deterent to using these players. BTW, these players played in every one of their teams games in '81: Steve Garvey, Ozzie Smith, Lou Whitaker, Tony Armas, Dwight Evans Jim Rice & George Foster. They ALL have injuries on their cards!!!

- The Sheik

At some point I'd love to see an addition of some seriously good low-priced platoon cards. These would add a refreshing degree of variety to the play at lower caps, e.g. 60, 80, 100M. Currently the same few platoon players are used over and over. Several of these cards might be strong enough to use at 140M and 200M. Many of these players would also fulfill franchise needs.

What if we gave 5 cards to this group in this round? I don't think that would be unreasonable.

Players could be recruited from the 1960s, 70s, 80s, and 90s mystery card games, plus some of the more recent league seasons. This would allow us to evaluate the actual cards.

Here are a few examples, taken just from the 1990s Mystery Card set. There are plenty more like this in the 60s, 70s, and 80s sets. None of the players below has a card in ATG. Many had lengthy careers.

Given below are name, year, team, positions played, OPS, and BAL.

Let's start with a few lefty-killers:
Matt Mieske 1999 Houston; Rated at RF/LF: 858 6L.
Rex Hudler 1996 Anaheim; Rated at 2B, RF/LF/CF: .893 4L.
Gerald Williams 1998 Atlanta; Rated at RF/LF/CF: .856 7L
Casey Candalele 1990 Atlanta; Rated at 2B/SS/3B/LF/CF: .761 4L
Mariano Duncan 1990 CIN; Rated at 2b/SS/3B/LF; .821 8L
Mark Parent 1995, CHC; Rated at C; .781 5L

Now some righty-killers:
Rob Ducey 1993, TEX; Rated at OF; .845 7R
Sam Horn 1997, BOS; Rated at 1B; .945 2R
Bill Spiers 1997, HOU; Rated at 3B/SS/2B/CF; .919 3R
Keith Lockhart 1995, KC; Rated at 2B/3B; .833 6R
Chip Hale 1993, MIN; Rated at 2B/3B/1B; .833 7R
Nelson Liriano 1993, COL; Rated at 2B/SS/3B; .800 5R
Todd Hundley 1994 NYM; Rated at C; .943 4R

I think it would be great if we could nominate and vote on a group of cards like these. To review the advantages: 1) such cards would strengthen the limited platoon options for lower price leagues. 2) Such cards would add several players currently without cards. 3) Many of these players cover multiple positions --they were real-life role players, and could serve the same function in SOM; 4) They could be selected to plug franchise holes. 5) Overall, they'd likely have relatively cheap price tags, yet will offer a high degree of utility.

A note about defensive positions. I didn't indicate defensive ratings since these might vary in a given year from the mystery card ratings. Also, in some years, a player might not cover all of the indicated positions.

Again, these are just samples. There are plenty more cards like this in the various mystery card leagues, and we can actually assess their hitting characteristics, since we have the real cards to examine. We won't know their actual defensive ratings, but can probably make educated guesses.

We tried something like this (focus was low end players, not so much for platoon) in a limited fashion back in 17.1 with decent results. Allocated 4 slots and got the following:
Ed Roebuck '57 RRP 9R, $1.4
Steve Hamilton '63 LRP 6L $1.6
Horace Clarke '66 UT INF $0.71
Wayne Causey '64 UT INF $1.62

The ones you mention would probably end up in the $2.5-$4mil range and be more interesting in a platoon like you indicate. Seems like something to consider.

Hey Salty - I'm pulling together my suggested path for this add based on the feedback but I wanted to discuss the high end cards a bit first.

What I would like to avoid is introducing cards of players that basically perform like Ted Williams but aren't Ted. So if I said, gimme 15 high end cards for 5-10 spots who would they be? Just trying to get a sense of what these cards might look like.

tks
Rosie