17.4 Card Add direction...

Generally speaking tried to keep the cards chosen to at least 350 ABs, including the pre-1900 cards.

There are also some cards in the unleashed seasons that are very good but low ABs, figured we'd stay clear of those.

definitely appreciate the input from folks.

This would be the latest-- nothing set in stone-- and think probably Tom House occupies one of the 2 LHRP slots.

1. Goose Goslin 1928 PA 526 BA .379 OBP .442 SLG .614 OPS 1.056 LF-3(+1)13, RF/CF-4(+1)13 1R balance
2. Zach Britton 2016 LHRP 4R/Tom House/Hong Chi Kuo/Aroldis Chapman
3. Harry Heilmann 1923 2L Balance, LF/RF-2(0)14, CF-3(0)14, 1b-3e16
4. Steve Howe LHRP 1991 7L/Tom House/Hong Chi Kuo/Aroldis Chapman
5. Duane Ward 1993/Adams
6. Matt Kemp 2011 BA .324 OBP .399 SLG.586 OPS.985 2L Balance, CF-1(-2)5
7. Chipper Jones 2007 3b 3e12 7R Balance, BA .337 OBP .425 SLG .604 OPS 1.029 3b-3e12, SS-4e48
8. Jose Bautista 2011 3B BA .302 OBP .447 SLG .608 OPS 1.055 RF-3(-3)9, 3b-3e14, 2L Balance
9. George Sisler 1922 1b OPS 1.061 BA .420 OBP .467 SLG .594, 2R Balance, 1b-1e18
10. Buck Ewing 1890 Catcher ABs 352 Avg. .338 OBP. 406 SLG. .545 E Balance, C-2(-3)16, 2b-4e71
11. JD Drew 2004 much better, RF-2(-1), CF-3, 1R balance
12. Rogers Hornsby 1925 BA .403 OBP .489 SLG .576 OPS 1.245 2B-2 E 38
13. John McGraw 1899 3B BA .391 OBP .505 SLG .446 OPS .994 (better year by a fair bit) 1R Balance, 3b-3e41.
14. 1953 Hank Thompson BA. 302 OBP .400 SLG. 567 OPS .969 4R, 3b-3e21, RF-4(+1)7, 2b-4e23
15. 1895 Jack Clements C PA 355 BA .394 OBP .446 SLG .612 OPS 1.058 2R Balance, C-4(+2e)9

Alternative choices:
Fred Carroll 1889 C PA 414 BA .330 OBP .486 SLG .484 OPS .970 1L Balance, C-4(+1)e16, 1b-3e28, LF-3(+2)e25
Bill Joyce 1894 3B PA459 AB355 BA .355 OBP .496 SLG .698 OPS 1.143 1R Balance, 3b-4e65
Chris Davis 6R 2013 card 1B OPS 1.004/6R Balance, 1b-2e16

I know we already have a couple of his cards, but the 1936 Bill Dickey (.362/.428/.617) seems like it might be a pretty good high level card.

2011 Mike Napoli (.320/.414/.631, C 3(-1)e1T-8pb-0/1B 4e6, 3-injury, 1R)

I know we already have a couple of his cards, but the 1936 Bill Dickey (.362/.428/.617) seems like it might be a pretty good high level card.

2011 Mike Napoli (.320/.414/.631, C 3(-1)e1T-8pb-0/1B 4e6, 3-injury, 1R)

Good call on both; each one has merits.
Napoli card-- the 3 injury isn't too bad, and the card can hit.

I can't see the Dickey card but those stats are better than his top card by a reasonable amount.

Both deserve consideration to be on the final list.

This would be the latest-- nothing set in stone-- and think probably Tom House occupies one of the 2 LHRP slots.

1. Goose Goslin 1928 PA 526 BA .379 OBP .442 SLG .614 OPS 1.056 LF-3(+1)13, RF/CF-4(+1)13 1R balance
2. Zach Britton 2016 LHRP 4R/Tom House/Hong Chi Kuo/Aroldis Chapman/Steve Howe 1991
3. Harry Heilmann 1923 2L Balance, LF/RF-2(0)14, CF-3(0)14, 1b-3e16
4. Tom House 1974 5L balance Whip 0.98
5. Duane Ward 1993/Adams
6. Matt Kemp 2011 BA .324 OBP .399 SLG.586 OPS.985 2L Balance, CF-1(-2)5
7. Chipper Jones 2007 3b 3e12 7R Balance, BA .337 OBP .425 SLG .604 OPS 1.029 3b-3e12, SS-4e48
8. Jose Bautista 2011 3B BA .302 OBP .447 SLG .608 OPS 1.055 RF-3(-3)9, 3b-3e14, 2L Balance
9. George Sisler 1922 1b OPS 1.061 BA .420 OBP .467 SLG .594, 2R Balance, 1b-1e18
10. Buck Ewing 1890 Catcher ABs 352 Avg. .338 OBP. 406 SLG. .545 E Balance, C-2(-3)16, 2b-4e71
11. JD Drew 2004 much better, RF-2(-1), CF-3, 1R balance
12. Rogers Hornsby 1925 BA .403 OBP .489 SLG .576 OPS 1.245 2B-2 E 38
13. John McGraw 1899 3B BA .391 OBP .505 SLG .446 OPS .994 (better year by a fair bit) 1R Balance, 3b-3e41.
14. Hank Thompson 1953 BA. 302 OBP .400 SLG. 567 OPS .969 4R, 3b-3e21, RF-4(+1)7, 2b-4e23
15. Bill Dickey 1936 .362/.428/.617/Mike Napoli 2011.320/.414/.631, C 3(-1)e1T-8pb-0/1B 4e6, 3-injury, 1R

Alternative choices:
1895 Jack Clements C PA 355 BA .394 OBP .446 SLG .612 OPS 1.058 2R Balance, C-4(+2e)9
Fred Carroll 1889 C PA 414 BA .330 OBP .486 SLG .484 OPS .970 1L Balance, C-4(+1)e16, 1b-3e28, LF-3(+2)e25
Bill Joyce 1894 3B PA459 AB355 BA .355 OBP .496 SLG .698 OPS 1.143 1R Balance, 3b-4e65
Chris Davis 6R 2013 card 1B OPS 1.004/6R Balance, 1b-2e16

I know we already have a couple of his cards, but the 1936 Bill Dickey (.362/.428/.617) seems like it might be a pretty good high level card.

2011 Mike Napoli (.320/.414/.631, C 3(-1)e1T-8pb-0/1B 4e6, 3-injury, 1R)

Good call on both; each one has merits.
Napoli card-- the 3 injury isn't too bad, and the card can hit.

I can't see the Dickey card but those stats are better than his top card by a reasonable amount.

Both deserve consideration to be on the final list.

I'll second the Dickey card, looks like a pretty good upgrade at a shallow position

Agree Steve--
why I think if we can add/upgrade 2 or 3 Cs it will really be helpful.

Figure Tom House and then 1 other stud Lefty RP from the group
1 Stud Righty RP

1. Goose Goslin 1928 PA 526 BA .379 OBP .442 SLG .614 OPS 1.056 LF-3(+1)13, RF/CF-4(+1)13 1R balance
2. Zach Britton 2016 4R/Hong Chi Kuo/Steve Howe 1991
3. Harry Heilmann 1923 2L Balance, LF/RF-2(0)14, CF-3(0)14, 1b-3e16
4. Tom House 1974 5L balance Whip 0.98
5. Duane Ward 1993/Adams
6. Matt Kemp 2011 BA .324 OBP .399 SLG.586 OPS.985 2L Balance, CF-1(-2)5
7. Chipper Jones 2007 3b 3e12 7R Balance, BA .337 OBP .425 SLG .604 OPS 1.029 3b-3e12, SS-4e48
8. Jose Bautista 2011 3B BA .302 OBP .447 SLG .608 OPS 1.055 RF-3(-3)9, 3b-3e14, 2L Balance
9. George Sisler 1922 1b OPS 1.061 BA .420 OBP .467 SLG .594, 2R Balance, 1b-1e18
10. Buck Ewing 1890 Catcher ABs 352 Avg. .338 OBP. 406 SLG. .545 E Balance, C-2(-3)16, 2b-4e71
11. JD Drew 2004 much better, RF-2(-1), CF-3, 1R balance
12. Rogers Hornsby 1925 BA .403 OBP .489 SLG .576 OPS 1.245 2B-2 E 38
13. John McGraw 1899 3B BA .391 OBP .505 SLG .446 OPS .994 (better year by a fair bit) 1R Balance, 3b-3e41.
14. Hank Thompson 1953 BA. 302 OBP .400 SLG. 567 OPS .969 4R, 3b-3e21, RF-4(+1)7, 2b-4e23
15. Bill Dickey 1936 .362/.428/.617/Mike Napoli 2011.320/.414/.631, C 3(-1)e1T-8pb-0/1B 4e6, 3-injury, 1R

Alternative choices:
1895 Jack Clements C PA 355 BA .394 OBP .446 SLG .612 OPS 1.058 2R Balance, C-4(+2e)9
Fred Carroll 1889 C PA 414 BA .330 OBP .486 SLG .484 OPS .970 1L Balance, C-4(+1)e16, 1b-3e28, LF-3(+2)e25
Bill Joyce 1894 3B PA459 AB355 BA .355 OBP .496 SLG .698 OPS 1.143 1R Balance, 3b-4e65
Chris Davis 6R 2013 card 1B OPS 1.004/6R Balance, 1b-2e16

I know you're probably thinking of lights out R1s when you talk about stud RH rp, but there are some others that might fit the bill:

1966 Jack Aker 66 games 113 IP 1.99/0.965 28 BB (10 of which were IBB)/68 Ks 2.86 FIP 171 ERA+ 13th in MVP

2007 Heath Bell R2 2.02/.961 102Ks for 93.2 IP FIP of 2.50 199 ERA+

2009 Jonathan Broxton 2.61/.961 114ks in 76 ips 1.97 FIP

1970 Ken Sanders 1.75/0.964 1HR in 92.1 IP 2.34 FIP 215 ERA+

1960 Lindy McDaniel 2.09/0.937 2.26 FIP 195 ERA+ 8.1K/9ip 3rd in CY, 5th MVP

Ok here's the breakdown for the card allocation of 17.4.

Already in based on 17.3 voting and taking into consideration the parameters for 17.4...
1. George McQuillan 1908 PHI R SP* zero card, 10yrs 0.984whip 23-17 359in 32CG
2. Kevin Millwood 1999 BRV R SP* zero card,16yrs 0.996whip 18-7, CY-3, MVP-26 4R
3. Tim Burke 1987 MON R RP zero card, 8yrs 0.89whip 7-0 18sv 2R
4. Tom House 1974 BRV L RP zero card, 8yrs 0.98whip 6-2 11sv 5L
5. Harry Heilmann 1923 DET RF/1B 2 cards, 17yrs 403/481/632/1113 MVP-3
6. George Sisler 1922 SLB 1B 2 cards, 15yrs 420/467/594/1061 1e18 MVP-1

that leaves us with 19 spots.

4 - High End/Studs
4 - 60-99
3 - Angels
3 - Orioles/Browns
3 - Royals
2 - Diamondbacks

Salty - please adjust your list accordingly. Also I'm not out to neuter your list, so I'm happy keeping the 2000+ guys on it (with one caveat which I'll address below), but please replace your 1899- guys. As I've stated before we won't be adding them until I feel we've addressed some of the other deficiencies in the set. Thanks for leaning in hard on this process!

The high end card caveat...of the four remaining spots no more than 2 can be 2000+.

I'll have the franchise lists by Thursday so the last grouping we need to work on is the 60-99. Yes its a large chunk of time but many names have already been tossed around and the step child that is 1981 can be a major part as well. I'll start that thread now.

Tks!
Rosie