Orioles additions

How about the Harry Rice card instead of Zarilla. Disqualified from the high caps only because he has a pesky catcher rating.

After reviewing all the posts here's what I'm proposing we go with for the 3 spots...
Roberto Alomar 1996 BAL 2B 3 17 328/411/527/938 MVP-20 GG SS New Franch
Chris Davis 2013 BAL 1B 0 10 286/370/634/1004 6R MVP-3
Buddy Groom 2002 BAL RP 0 14 0.9whip 6.97k/9
Harry Howell 1904 SLB SP* 0 13 1.048whip 2.19era 299IN
Grant* Jackson 1973 BAL RP 1 18 0.97whip 1.90era 80IP 5R New Franch
John Lowenstein 1982 BAL LF RF 1 16 BC 320/415/602/1017 (3+1e0) 9R
Nels Potter 1945 SLB SP* 0 14 15-11 1.097whip 21CG 2.47era
Al Zarilla 1948 SLB OF 1 10 MBC 329/389/482/871 MVP-18 New Franch

I also really like Bumbry but there's not consensus on the best yr to nominate. Any major issues with the 8 above?

Britton is an obvious stud but 2016 is just too recent for me.

As much as I think that the Zarilla card would be a great add (I did nominate it at some point here), I think the Judnich card might be better. It probably comes down to Zarilla's defense. Anybody with a card reader who can give us the '48 Zarilla defensive ratings? We know that Judnich is a 2(-1) across the outfield. Thanks.

Much in agreement with bill here. Zarilla is a 3(-2)15 in the corners and a 4 in center.

Any chance of getting Al Bumbry on the list for voting?

How about the 1980 All-star, MVP-13 season?

Oriole possibilities for pitchers:
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1971 Jim Palmer 20-9 2.68/1.195
1973 Jim Palmer 22-9, 1 save 2.40/1.141
1976 Jim Palmer 22-13 2.51/1.076
1977 Jim Palmer 20-11 2.91/1.135 (is Palmer doomed never to perform well in ATG? '73 & '76 Cy Young winner)
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I think the community did a great job on suggestions for new Oriole cards, especially Bill, ratioman and Andy. Jim Palmer, especially, deserves to have a good card. Palmer won 3 Cy Young awards in a span of 4 years in the 1970s and would have gotten a fourth in 1977 if some members of the NY press weren't tired of giving it to him and voted for Sparky Lyle instead.

Palmer won more games than any other pitcher in the '70s. Yes, more than Seaver and Carlton, who had the benefit of pitching in the non-DH NL. We have great cards for Seaver and Carlton, but the best SOM can do for Palmer is 3 mediocre mid priced cards and a bad low priced card?

Several years ago, The Last Druid rightfully complained that Seaver didn't have any good cards, and a short time later, Seaver's two highest priced cards were added to the ATG card set by SOM.

I'm not sure which remaining uncarded Palmer season would produce the best card, as it seems cards for his seasons with the best numbers have already been issued, but SOM should figure that out and issue a good usable top notch Palmer card.

Also, I'd like to see the 1998 Eric Davis card. Davis was coming back from a fight with colon cancer and put up arguably the best numbers of his career, although he had lost a step or two defensively.
1998 Eric Davis OF, Orioles, .327 28 89 .388 .582 .970

Also, I think the 1999 Harold Baines card might be a little better than the 1993 card suggested by Bill (most of us could never live with an injury on a 9)
1999 Harold Baines, DH .312 25 103 .387 .533 .919

Lastly, I'm not much of a fan of an improved Al Bumbry card. Although Bumbry had some speed and could steal a base, he played poor defense, had a big drop off against lefties and never hit for much power. He's kind of like a poor man's version of Ralph Garr. While I guess he'd be OK to DH against righties on a smallball team, it seems that there are so many more players deserving of cards than Bumbry. Here's the cards for his best seasons:
1980 Al Bumbry, Orioles, OF .318 9 53 .392 .433 .825 44 SBs (bulletproof!)
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/831515/1680/1/80
1973 Al Bumbry Orioles, OF .337 7 34 .398 .500 .898 11 TR 23 SBs
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/731515/1670/1/70

I think cards for Nick Markakis and Adam Jones would be much better alternatives than Bumbry.

2008 Nick Markakis RF, Orioles .306 20 87 .406 .491 .897 (bulletproof!). Career highs in BA, RUNS, DO (48!) OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. RF 1(-3)e3
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/706/2008/1/20714

2012 Adam Jones, CF, Orioles .287 32 82 .334 .505 .839 (bulletproof!). Career highs in RUNS, HITS, DO, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Gold Glove. CF 1(-3)e8
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/580/2012/1/20714

Lastly, I like the 1969 Mark Belanger card better than the 1976 card suggested elsewhere in this thread.
1969 Mark Belanger, SS, Orioles .287 2 50 .351 .345 .696. Career highs in HITS, RBI, BA, TB, OPS; Gold Glove
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/730727/1670/1/70
1976 Mark Belanger, SS, Orioles .270 1 40 .336 .326 .661 27 SBs. Career highs in DO, SBs, OPS+; Gold Glove

In looking closer at Palmer it seems he just doesn't translate well to SOM. The two years that might add some girth to his virtual game are 69 and 76. 69 is listed in the 70s mystery set and is pretty close to his 72 card. Anyone else with an opinion?

Is Judnich really a 1R? Looking at his splits it seems much heavier vR
1942 Wally Judnich L/1R All OF-2(-1)4 313/413/499 Good add to Pre-war SLB

Of note, he did lose his best years to WW2.

I don't have a problem adding Judnich in place of Zarilla and adding Rice and Bumbry '80. At the end the vote dictates.

Is Judnich really a 1R? Looking at his splits it seems much heavier vR
1942 Wally Judnich L/1R All OF-2(-1)4 313/413/499 Good add to Pre-war SLB

Of note, he did lose his best years to WW2.

I don't have a problem adding Judnich in place of Zarilla and adding Rice and Bumbry '80. At the end the vote dictates.

Looking at his card, he appears pretty balanced.

In looking closer at Palmer it seems he just doesn't translate well to SOM. The two years that might add some girth to his virtual game are 69 and 76. 69 is listed in the 70s mystery set and is pretty close to his 72 card. Anyone else with an opinion?

He just doesn't seem to translate well to Strat, for whatever reason. His 69 card wouldn't be a *, and his 76 good metrics don't look as good as the 1975 card. 1973 may be better than 1976, but I don't think either will make a drastic improvement in Palmer's situation. Not that I'm not for a good Palmer card, I am.

Ok here's our Orioles/Browns list:
Roberto Alomar** 1996 BAL 2B 3 17 328/411/527/938 MVP-20 GG SS New Franch
Chris Davis* 2013 BAL 1B 0 10 286/370/634/1004 6R MVP-3
Buddy* Groom 2002 BAL RP 0 14 0.9whip 6.97k/9
Harry Howell 1904 SLB SP* 0 13 1.048whip 2.19era 299IN
Grant* Jackson 1973 BAL RP 1 18 0.97whip 1.90era 80IP 5R New Franch
John Lowenstein* 1982 BAL LF RF 1 16 BC 320/415/602/1017 (3+1e0) 9R
Nels Potter 1945 SLB SP* 0 14 15-11 1.097whip 21CG 2.47era
Al Bumbry* 1973 BAL OF 2 14 MMBC 337/398/500/898 6R (4+2e6) 11tpl ROY-1
Wally Judnich* 1942 SLB OF 0 7 2(-1)4 313/413/499 Good add to Pre-war SLB
Harry Rice* 1925 SLB RF 0 10 359/450/568/1018 MVP-5

I'll post these in a poll once we get the other groupings ready.
tks!
Rosie

Here's the Orioles/Browns list for 3 spots...
Roberto Alomar 1996 BAL 2B 3 17 328/411/527/938 MVP-20 GG SS New Franch
Chris Davis 2013 BAL 1B 0 10 286/370/634/1004 6R MVP-3
Buddy Groom 2002 BAL RP 0 14 0.9whip 6.97k/9
Harry Howell 1904 SLB SP* 0 13 1.048whip 2.19era 299IN
Grant* Jackson 1973 BAL RP 1 18 0.97whip 1.90era 80IP 5R New Franch
John Lowenstein 1982 BAL LF RF 1 16 BC 320/415/602/1017 (3+1e0) 9R
Nels Potter 1945 SLB SP* 0 14 15-11 1.097whip 21CG 2.47era
Wally Judnich* 1942 SLB OF 0 7 2(-1)4 313/413/499 Good add to Pre-war SLB
Harry Rice* 1925 SLB RF 0 10 359/450/568/1018 MVP-5
Al Bumbry 1980 BAL OF 2 14 MMBC 318/392/433/825 44sb INJ 0 MVP-13

poll up soon.

tks
Rosie