Catchers 18.1

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Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 3:03 am

please suggest any Catchers prior to 1990 for inclusion in the 18.1 vote.
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 6:19 am

1951 Yogi Berra -- MVP, .294/.350/.492, 130 ops+

1928 Mickey Cochrane -- MVP, .293/.395/.464, career high in triples (12)

1963 Elston Howard --MVP, .287/.342/.528, 141 ops+, career high in hrs (28) http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/35630/1660/1/60
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 11:37 am

1976 Thurman Munson AL MVP 616ab .302 17hr 105rbi
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 12:35 pm

1990 Bryan Harper MIN R 2L C-3(0)4, 1b-4e25 294/328/432 Twins C for late 80s/early 90s World Series teams
1988 Mike LaValliere PIT L 4R C-1(-2)3 261/353/330 Pirates C for early 1990's team
1972 Carlton Fisk BOS R E C-1(-3)8 293/370/538 An EVEN card for Fisk, his ROY season
1930 Shanty Hogan NYG R 2L C-3(-1)7 339/378/517
1904 Mike Grady STL R E C-3(-1)16, 1b-3e28 313/376/474
1970 Ray Fosse CLE R 1L C-1(-2)7 307/361/469 Pre-Rose collision
1970 Chris Cannizzaro SD R E C-2(-1)8 279/366/378
1971 George Mitterwald MIN R 6L C-4(-1)3 250/316/389
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 2:47 pm

Terry Kennedy* 1982 SD C 2 14 BC 295/328/486/814 MVP-14
Rich Gedman* 1985 BOS C 1 13 BC 295/362/484/846 MVP-25
Brian Harper 1989 MIN C 0 16 325/353/449/802
Milt May* 1981 SF C 1 15 310/376/383/759 MVP-25 new franch
Benito Santiago 1987 SD C 1 20 BC 300/324/467/791 ROY-1
Mike Scioscia* 1981 LA C 1 13 276/353/331/685
John Wockenfuss 1977 DET C 0 12 831ops 9L
Johnny Bench 1974 CIN C 4 17 280/363/507/870/MVP-4/GG/3R/all other cards are E or L leaning
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 4:51 pm

74 Bench and 72 Fisk are great incremental adds for those 2.

I second the Kennedy and Santiago suggestions. The Padres need more C choices.
The one Santiago card in the set isn’t very fun, unless you have the other team.
Cannizzaro might be better than both, since he has no card and played for 6 different clubs.

88 LaValliere, 90 B. Harper, 70 Fosse, 71 Mitterwald all fill holes.
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 4:56 pm

Rudy York 1938. This would be his first catcher card, and his best full time hitting season. Caught 116 games that year
.298/.417/.579/.995 OPS+ of 140
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSun Jan 14, 2018 3:17 am

1923 Bubbles Hargrave - C 3(0)e4,T-5(pb-2) - 2 injury rating

BA OBP SLG OPS RC/27 BR NERP
Petco 1/1/1/1
0.344 0.429 0.581 1.010 10.25 11.30 22.13
0.324 0.412 0.553 0.965 9.09 9.72 20.82

Wrigley 18/18/18/18
0.434 0.507 0.807 1.315 19.55 21.38 31.01
0.405 0.482 0.743 1.225 16.28 18.39 28.41

1949 Bill Salkeld c-4(+2)e6,T-13(pb-3) - 3 injury rating
Great platoon option

petco 1/1/1/1
0.000 0.324 0.000 0.324 0.00 -6.70 5.45
0.253 0.453 0.375 0.829 6.14 7.19 17.36

wrigley 18/18/18/18
0.000 0.324 0.000 0.324 0.00 -6.70 5.45
0.360 0.532 0.644 1.176 14.46 17.26 26.24

1949 Les Moss - c 4(+1)e9,T-17(pb-1) - 2 injury rating
Much better Moss card
petco 1/1/1/1
0.269 0.384 0.388 0.773 5.52 3.86 15.29
0.344 0.471 0.516 0.987 10.00 11.34 21.34

wrigley 18/18/18/18
0.344 0.447 0.547 0.994 10.07 11.13 21.59
0.441 0.550 0.818 1.368 21.76 23.00 31.84

Wes Westrum 1951 c-1(-3)e2,T-14(pb-2) - 2 injury rating
Better card

Petco 1/1/1/1
0.141 0.451 0.375 0.826 5.32 7.63 17.78
0.090 0.376 0.253 0.630 2.83 1.26 12.66

wrigley 18/18/18/18
0.264 0.530 0.683 1.213 13.28 17.70 26.66
0.193 0.447 0.495 0.942 7.40 9.93 20.25

Earl Battey 1961 c1(-3)e2,T-12(pb-5) - 2 injury rating
Is a 1 and hits righties better.

petco 1/1/1/1
0.288 0.327 0.361 0.689 4.48 -0.06 12.38
0.282 0.375 0.441 0.816 6.23 4.85 16.49

Wrigley 18/18/18/18
0.329 0.367 0.403 0.770 5.95 3.00 14.80
0.372 0.454 0.668 1.121 13.03 14.92 25.38

Carlton Fisk 1975 c-2(-2)e7,T-11(pb-0) - injury rating 2
Really good against lefties but slightly good against righties compared to best card.

petco
0.434 0.466 0.627 1.093 13.95 14.48 24.76
0.318 0.394 0.508 0.902 7.92 7.59 18.98

wrigley
0.534 0.560 0.902 1.463 29.31 27.36 36.22
0.389 0.456 0.659 1.115 13.28 14.86 25.27

Joe Ferguson 1977 c3(-1),T-7(pb-6) 1b-4e25 - 2 injury rating
better card and great platoon option

petco
0.058 0.189 0.197 0.386 1.07 -10.41 4.26
0.264 0.469 0.419 0.888 7.21 8.98 18.91

wrigley
0.095 0.220 0.343 0.563 2.25 -4.80 9.43
0.384 0.555 0.735 1.290 17.89 20.46 29.08
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSun Jan 14, 2018 5:34 pm

I would just like to see a Carlton Fisk carded to the White Sox.. He had good seasons in 1983 and 1985..
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Re: Catchers 18.1

PostSun Jan 14, 2018 6:38 pm

2cityfan wrote:I would just like to see a Carlton Fisk carded to the White Sox.. He had good seasons in 1983 and 1985..

A Fisk white sox card makes good sense. anyone else have an opinion on which season to nominate?
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