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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 2:55 pm

Everybody except chilliards has made a pick since the draft re-started, so I will stop sending out reminders now (except one later, for him). I just wanted all to be aware that the draft clock was on again.
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 3:00 pm

I think willmurr was just saying his team is full/complete. but who knows.
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 pm

tcochran wrote:Everybody except chilliards has made a pick since the draft re-started, so I will stop sending out reminders now (except one later, for him). I just wanted all to be aware that the draft clock was on again.


I am following along, thanks
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm

Paul_Long71 wrote:I think willmurr was just saying his team is full/complete. but who knows.


He dropped as many as he could and has 6 more picks after this
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 4:38 pm

tcochran wrote:
willmurr24 wrote:Virgil Vasquez SP Pitt


Pick rejected as against the league rules:

11) There are no specific rules against "roster dumping." Owners no longer in a pennant race can use their best judgment in determining the makeup of their team, provided that all general roster size limits are met. However, it is expected that all owners will act in the best interests of the game.


I don't see why this pick is illegal. There are already a bunch of bad .5 guys on rosters in this league. Granted all of those guys have better cards in the future, but I don't see how taking a guy like Vasquez is somehow detrimental to the league.

I am not going to be competitive in '09 so I will be continuing to target guys with bad cards this year, looking specifically for guys who can help in the future of course. But the reality is that I'm not going to have room on my roster to keep all of them after this season so I don't see why it makes a difference if I take a .5 guy (I.e. Chris Young the pitcher) who has a decent future card but I drop him anyway after the season (because he has no card in '10 and I don't have room to carry him until '14) or take a .5 guy whose only card is '09 (I.e. Virgil Vasquez) and then drop him after the season (because he has no card in '10). The results to the rest of the league are the same: I'd be using a .5 starter in '09.

Anyway, sorry. Just my two cents. I don't really care if you let willmurr keep Vasquez or not. It just seems odd to me that it's somehow an illegal pick, but say, Juan Castro, who was taken in the 3rd round and has a.79 card in '09 and a .5 card in '10, is perfectly fine
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 4:40 pm

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 1:53 pm

4. jodynadu - Eric Patterson OF OAK
5. Terry101 - Mark Rzepcynski SP TOR (via proxy)
6. tcochran - Matt Palmer SP LAA
7. baseballmike- Fu-Te Ni RP DET
8. lferenti123- Carl Pavano SP MIN
9. hk mossy - Figueroa, Nelson SP NYM
10. buzz082308 - Ramiro Pena Inf NYY
11. tpiercersn - Juan Rivera OF LAA
12. padrenurgle1 (from chilliards) - Sean White RP
13. baseball cfo - Doug Mathis - RP Tex
14. WJS6768 - Adam Kennedy 3B OAK
15. Falcon29 - Nick Masset RP CIN (via proxy)
16. kihoover - Jonny Gomes RF CIN
17. dharmabums - Ryan Roberts 2B ARI (via proxy)
18. oldmansmith2 - Felipe Lopez 2B MIL
19. piloneus382 - Ronald Belisario P LA
20. paul j kiggins- C Brayan Pena KC
21. padrenurgle1- Tommy Hunter SP TEX
22. Dr.Publix - Evan Meek RP PITT
23. JMP1 - TIMED OUT AT 12:41 PM EST
24. Paul_Long71 - Nolan Reimold OF Bal

{{ROUND 5}}
1. thechamp87 - Pete Orr 2B WAS
2. willmurr24 - PICK REJECTED - RE-PICK AT ANY TIME
3. Harold Homers - TIMED OUT AT 3:30 PM EST
4. jodynadu - ON THE CLOCK TO 5:30 PM EST
5. Terry101
6. tcochran
7. baseballmike
8. lferenti123
9. hk mossy
10. buzz082308
11. tpiercersn
12. chilliards
13. baseball cfo
14. WJS6768
15. Falcon29
16. kihoover
17. dharmabums
18. oldmansmith2
19. piloneus382
20. paul j kiggins
21. tcochran (from padrenurgle1)
22. paul j kiggins (from Dr.Publix)
23. JMP1
24. Paul_Long71
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

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tcochran wrote:

willmurr24 wrote:
Virgil Vasquez SP Pitt



Pick rejected as against the league rules:

11) There are no specific rules against "roster dumping." Owners no longer in a pennant race can use their best judgment in determining the makeup of their team, provided that all general roster size limits are met. However, it is expected that all owners will act in the best interests of the game.



I don't see why this pick is illegal. There are already a bunch of bad .5 guys on rosters in this league. Granted all of those guys have better cards in the future, but I don't see how taking a guy like Vasquez is somehow detrimental to the league.

I am not going to be competitive in '09 so I will be continuing to target guys with bad cards this year, looking specifically for guys who can help in the future of course. But the reality is that I'm not going to have room on my roster to keep all of them after this season so I don't see why it makes a difference if I take a .5 guy (I.e. Chris Young the pitcher) who has a decent future card but I drop him anyway after the season (because he has no card in '10 and I don't have room to carry him until '14) or take a .5 guy whose only card is '09 (I.e. Virgil Vasquez) and then drop him after the season (because he has no card in '10). The results to the rest of the league are the same: I'd be using a .5 starter in '09.

Anyway, sorry. Just my two cents. I don't really care if you let willmurr keep Vasquez or not. It just seems odd to me that it's somehow an illegal pick, but say, Juan Castro, who was taken in the 3rd round and has a.79 card in '09 and a .5 card in '10, is perfectly fine


Have agree,we have 24 Managers who all play this game differently....how a Manager drafts and how he runs his team is his up to him except..
11) There are no specific rules against "roster dumping." Owners no longer in a pennant race can use their best judgment in determining the makeup of their team, provided that all general roster size limits are met. However, it is expected that all owners will act in the best interests of the game.
if i want to try and when at the start thats ok...some mangers built for futures...their choice......I believe it was not an illegal pick
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 6:48 pm

4. jodynadu - Eric Patterson OF OAK
5. Terry101 - Mark Rzepcynski SP TOR (via proxy)
6. tcochran - Matt Palmer SP LAA
7. baseballmike- Fu-Te Ni RP DET
8. lferenti123- Carl Pavano SP MIN
9. hk mossy - Figueroa, Nelson SP NYM
10. buzz082308 - Ramiro Pena Inf NYY
11. tpiercersn - Juan Rivera OF LAA
12. padrenurgle1 (from chilliards) - Sean White RP
13. baseball cfo - Doug Mathis - RP Tex
14. WJS6768 - Adam Kennedy 3B OAK
15. Falcon29 - Nick Masset RP CIN (via proxy)
16. kihoover - Jonny Gomes RF CIN
17. dharmabums - Ryan Roberts 2B ARI (via proxy)
18. oldmansmith2 - Felipe Lopez 2B MIL
19. piloneus382 - Ronald Belisario P LA
20. paul j kiggins- C Brayan Pena KC
21. padrenurgle1- Tommy Hunter SP TEX
22. Dr.Publix - Evan Meek RP PITT
23. JMP1 - TIMED OUT AT 12:41 PM EST
24. Paul_Long71 - Nolan Reimold OF Bal

{{ROUND 5}}
1. thechamp87 - Pete Orr 2B WAS
2. willmurr24 - PICK REJECTED - RE-PICK AT ANY TIME
3. Harold Homers - ON THE CLOCK TO 3:30 PM EST
4. jodynadu - Brandon Medders RP
5. Terry101
6. tcochran
7. baseballmike
8. lferenti123
9. hk mossy
10. buzz082308
11. tpiercersn
12. chilliards
13. baseball cfo
14. WJS6768
15. Falcon29
16. kihoover
17. dharmabums
18. oldmansmith2
19. piloneus382
20. paul j kiggins
21. tcochran (from padrenurgle1)
22. paul j kiggins (from Dr.Publix)
23. JMP1
24. Paul_Long71
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 7:35 pm

Hi Guys
I see my line-up and I have 10 actives hitters and 2 actives RP with only 2 pick to come :shock:
I need some help ;)
I can trade K. Millwood, Edwin Jackson etc for your last pick (8th round)
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Re: "THOSE WERE THE DAYS" LEAGUE

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 7:39 pm

Dr.Publix wrote:
tcochran wrote:
willmurr24 wrote:Virgil Vasquez SP Pitt


Pick rejected as against the league rules:

11) There are no specific rules against "roster dumping." Owners no longer in a pennant race can use their best judgment in determining the makeup of their team, provided that all general roster size limits are met. However, it is expected that all owners will act in the best interests of the game.


I don't see why this pick is illegal. There are already a bunch of bad .5 guys on rosters in this league. Granted all of those guys have better cards in the future, but I don't see how taking a guy like Vasquez is somehow detrimental to the league.

I am not going to be competitive in '09 so I will be continuing to target guys with bad cards this year, looking specifically for guys who can help in the future of course. But the reality is that I'm not going to have room on my roster to keep all of them after this season so I don't see why it makes a difference if I take a .5 guy (I.e. Chris Young the pitcher) who has a decent future card but I drop him anyway after the season (because he has no card in '10 and I don't have room to carry him until '14) or take a .5 guy whose only card is '09 (I.e. Virgil Vasquez) and then drop him after the season (because he has no card in '10). The results to the rest of the league are the same: I'd be using a .5 starter in '09.

Anyway, sorry. Just my two cents. I don't really care if you let willmurr keep Vasquez or not. It just seems odd to me that it's somehow an illegal pick, but say, Juan Castro, who was taken in the 3rd round and has a.79 card in '09 and a .5 card in '10, is perfectly fine


It is perfectly true there is no rule explicitly forbidding a pick like that -- so I can drop my objection and simply label the question a subjective one.

I agree with Dr.P that folks often pick for the future, even if a player has a poor card now. In fact, I'm hopeful that I have built a competitive team for at least the 2009-2011 seasons in that way. Indeed, perhaps I should welcome willmurr's attempt to guarantee the #1 pick in the next draft, since we'll be playing in the same division. My guys will win even more games because of that!

From a league viability question, I am concerned, though, if willmurr's last 7 picks will have a total salary of $3.5 million in 2009 with no future value after that. In the past, I've seen managers dig a hole so deep that they eventually decided they could never climb out of it. After one manager abandoned a team, for example, we had to stage a brownfield reclamation project with special incentives in order to entice anyone to take over the team.

I will cancel my objection, with hopes that willmurr will continue to work with this team he is burying and then resurrect it in the future!
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