Starting Pitchers 18.1

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Re: Starting Pitchers 18.1

PostThu Jan 25, 2018 11:48 am

While I'm sure there are more, I missed several worthy players:

1971 Ken Forsch, Astros 8-8 2.53 1.142 S/R. Career bests as a SP in ERA & H9. 2nd career best in WHIP. At 3L, Forsch is a good reverso RHP. Just 1 ATG card
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/733914/1670/1/70

1978 Ed Halicki, Giants 9-10 .474 2.85 1.060 Led N.L. with career best WHIP. Also had career bests in ERA, H9 & BB9. If you're like me and like finding a relatively unknown or forgotten pitcher with good numbers and turning him into a winner, then Halicki is your guy! Great and usable card! 1 ATG card
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/734837/1670/1/70

1978 Bob Knepper, Giants 17-11 2.63 1.165 Career bests in WINS & HR9. Second career bests in ERA, H9, with near career low WHIP. This would be Knepper's best Giants card.
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/736507/1670/1/70

1981 Bob Knepper, Astros 9-5 2.18 1.060 Career bests in ERA, WHIP, H9 & HR9 in strike shortened season. This would be Knepper's best Astros card.

1985 Bob Welch, Dodgers 14-4 2.31 1.052 Career bests in WHIP & BB9. 2nd career bests in ERA & H9.

See also 1978 Bob Welch, Dodgers 7-4 2.02 1.060 Career bests in ERA, H9 & HR9. 2nd career bests in WHIP & BB9. S/R pitched just 111 innings. Welch is a perfect example of SOM issuing what should be his best card, 1990 27-6 2.95 Cy Young, but it falls short of being representative of Welch's gaudy numbers. Both the '78 and '85 Welch would be 5 day starters.

1981 Burt Hooton, Dodgers 11-6 2.28 1.103 Career bests in ERA, BB9 & HR9 in strike shortened season. Hooton was renowned for his signature pitch, the knucklecurve.
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Re: Starting Pitchers 18.1

PostThu Feb 01, 2018 2:32 am

BA OBP SLG OPS RC/27 BR NERP
Wrigley 18 18 18 18

1934 Satchel Paige -2 hold rating
Starter 8 - Relief 2
0.107 0.148 0.201 0.350 0.90 -13.16 2.26
0.099 0.140 0.151 0.291 0.63 -15.12 0.39

1908 Smokey Joe Williams -3 hold
Starter 9
0.088 0.147 0.124 0.271 0.54 -15.42 -0.05
0.119 0.176 0.150 0.325 0.81 -13.34 1.55

1924 Big Bill Foster -3 hold
Starter 8 Relief 1
0.051 0.138 0.149 0.287 0.59 -14.64 0.88
0.094 0.161 0.165 0.326 0.79 -13.41 1.75

1917 John Donaldson -3 hold
Starter 8
0.127 0.135 0.150 0.285 0.63 -15.88 -0.27
0.171 0.202 0.226 0.428 1.49 -10.10 4.41

1917 Dick Redding -3 hold
Starter 9 Relief 1
0.129 0.178 0.163 0.341 0.90 -12.96 1.91
0.101 0.159 0.131 0.290 0.63 -14.67 0.49

1920 Dave Brown -1 hold
Starter 8 relief 2
0.119 0.185 0.119 0.304 0.68 -13.76 0.95
0.119 0.185 0.179 0.364 1.02 -11.90 2.86

1937 Ted Trent -2 hold
Starter 8 Relief 4
0.126 0.158 0.280 0.438 1.37 -10.29 5.02
0.072 0.089 0.154 0.243 0.40 -17.67 -1.26

1917 Tom Williams -3 hold
Starter 8 Relief 2
0.175 0.206 0.221 0.426 1.48 -10.10 4.34
0.147 0.178 0.198 0.376 1.12 -12.04 2.86

1914 Rube Foster +1 hold
Starter 7 Relief 5
0.157 0.181 0.176 0.357 1.02 -12.76 2.08
0.155 0.178 0.175 0.353 1.00 -12.89 1.99
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Re: Starting Pitchers 18.1

PostThu Feb 01, 2018 4:43 pm

andycummings65 wrote:1952 Allie Reynolds NYY R S*8/R4 E 2.06 1.19 NEEDS a BETTER CARD, NYY's early 50's ace
1947 Ralph Branca BKN R S*7/R5 E 2.67 1.24 need better card, don't you feel sorry for him?
1944 Dizzy Trout DET R S*8/R5 E 2.12 1.13 need better card
1937 Cliff Melton NYG L S*7/R5 E 2.61 1.09 late 30's/early 40's NYG ace, NO CARD
1938 Bill C. Lee CHC R S*9/R3 1R 2.66 1.22 Cubs ace, #2 in MVP voting
1928 Garland Braxton WASH L S*7/R5 E 2.51 1.01 WASH needs HELP

1915 Ernie Shore BOS R S*7/R5 E 1.64 1.10 Part of two Red Sox World Series Rotations
1912 Jeff Tesreau NYG R S*8/R5 E 1.96 1.16 NO CARD, Part of 3 NYG World Series Rotations
1914 Harry Coveleski DET L S*8/R5 E 2.49 1.16 NO CARD, db-DET needs all the help at SP they can get

1907 Orval Overall CHC R S*8/R5 E 1.68 1.00 better card, but db-Cubs well-represented with high end SP
1908 Johnny Lush STL L S*7/R5 E 2.12 1.10 db-STL needs SP help
1916 Jeff Pfeffer BKN R S*9/R5 E 1.91 1.02 needs better card
1906 Jack Powell SLB R S*9/R5 E 1.77 1.02 better card, db-SLB needs HELP


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Re: Starting Pitchers 18.1

PostThu Feb 01, 2018 4:48 pm

andycummings65 wrote:Deadball Pitchers
1915 Ernie Shore BOS R S*7/R5 E 1.64 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, NO CARD Part of two great Red Sox World Series Rotations, went 3-1 in those two World Series. His biggest claim to fame: In 1917 Babe Ruth started the game on the mound for the Red Sox, and walked the leadoff batter. Ruth got into an argument with the home plate umpire and was ejected. Shore entered the game, and the runner tried to steal but was thrown out. Shore then proceeded to retire the remaining 26 Senators without allowing a baserunner, earning a 4–0 Red Sox win. For many years the game was listed in record books as a "perfect game", but officially it is scored as a no-hitter, shared by two pitchers.

1912 Jeff Tesreau NYG R S*8/R5 E 1.96 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, NO CARD, Part of 3 NYG World Series Rotations. Averaged 20 wins a season for his first six seasons; in his 7th, he and McGraw had an argument and quit the Giants in 1918. In 1919, he refused to play for the Giants and the Giants refused to trade him, so he became baseball coach at Dartmouth, where he would coach for 28 years.

1914 Harry Coveleski DET L S*8/R5 E 2.49 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, NO CARD, Brother of Stan, won 20 games 3 straight seasons in Detroit, Over a span of five days at the end of the 1908 season, while pitching for the Phillies, he beat the New York Giants three times, which enabled the Chicago Cubs to catch the first-place Giants in the NL standings and force a replay of the "Merkle's Boner" game. To Merkle's dismay, the Cubs beat the Giants in that replay. Coveleski was thereafter known as the "Giant Killer." db-DET needs more SP


1916 Jeff Pfeffer BKN R S*9/R5 E 1.91 ERA, 1.02 WHIP. He pitched the Robins to pennants in 1916 and 1920.
db-BKN SPs need help, and he needs better card.

1906 Jack Powell SLB R S*9/R5 E 1.77 ERA, 1.02 WHIP. Hard luck Browns ace for over 10 seasons, despite his sparking 2.97 career ERA, he holds the record for most wins by a pitcher with a career losing record. Poor guy, he needs a better card, and db-SLB needs MUCH HELP.


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Personally I prefer no card before 1903 in the AL or 1901 in the NL for ATG. They didn't count fouls as strikes!
Talk about comparing apples and oranges!
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Re: Starting Pitchers 18.1

PostThu Feb 01, 2018 4:49 pm

andycummings65 wrote:Pre and Post Pitchers
1952 Allie Reynolds NYY R S*8/R4 E 2.06 ERA, 1.19 WHIP. Six time All-Star and six time World Series Champion with the Yankees. Reynolds was a member of the Creek nation, and was nicknamed "Superchief". In 1952, he had his greatest single season performance. He won twenty games for the only time in his career (against eight losses). He led the American League in earned run average (2.06), strikeouts (160), and shutouts (6). This winner deserves a better card, and, to be honest, the post-NYY set doesn't have very good pitching.

1947 Ralph Branca BKN R S*7/R5 E 2.67 ERA, 1.24 WHIP. On Opening Day in 1947—which was also Jackie Robinson's major league debut—Branca lined up on the field beside Robinson, while other players refused. That year, he had a 21–12 win–loss record and a 2.67 earned run average (ERA) in 280 innings pitched. You know he gave up Bobby Thomson's Shot Heard Round the World, but Joshua Prager's book The Echoing Green details the fact that the Giants were stealing signs all during their 1951 run. This man needs a better card, his other card is unusable.

1944 Dizzy Trout DET R S*8/R5 E 2.12 ERA, 1.13 WHIP. Pitched for the Tigers for 14 seasons, including the 1940 and 1945 World Series. The pre-DET set needs more SP, and he needs a better card.

1937 Cliff Melton NYG L S*7/R5 E 2.61 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, NO CARD. Led the 1937 Giants to the World Series, was late 30's/early 40's Giants ace, needs to be added to the set.

1938 Bill C. Lee CHC R S*9/R3 1R 2.66 ERA, 1.22 WHIP. This 14 year veteran was the Cubs ace in the late 1930's, and in 1938 he finished #2 in MVP voting, leading the Cubs to the World Series, one of two Fall Classics in which he pitched. He, and the pre-Cubs, need better representation.

1928 Garland Braxton WASH L S*7/R5 E 2.51 ERA, 1.01 WHIP
. Led AL in ERA in 1928, and is the LHP the Senators need. Their pre SPs could use the help.


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