18.2 upgrade poll

Discussion for new cards to add; moderated by Rosie2167

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Rogers Kenny* 1995 TEX S7* 1 (89)1.43 20 1.28 17-7 3.38 208 140 8.3 1.1 6.1 7L
8
2%
Jackson Grant* 1973 BAL R3/3 1 (79)1.72 18 0.971 8-0 9 1.9 80 47 6 0.6 5.3 5R
5
1%
Pappas Milt 1964 BAL S7/4 2 (60)4.50, (70)3.35 17 1.08 16-7 2.97 251 157 8.0 0.8 5.6 2R
2
0%
Law Vern 1965 PIT S8* 2 (60)5.42, (66)1.78 16 0.998 17-9 2.15 217 101 7.5 0.7 4.2 1L
3
1%
Bahnsen Stan 1968 NYY S8*/4 2 (72)3.25, (80)1.25 16 1.06 17-12 2.05 267 162 7.3 0.5 5.5 1R
2
0%
Henry Bill* 1964 CIN R2/3 2 (59)3.90,(60)1.77 16 0.827 2-2 6 0.87 52 28 5.4 0.3 4.8 6L
16
4%
Forster Terry* 1972 CHW R3/5 1 (73)3.89 16 1.19 6-5 29 2.25 100 104 6.8 0.0 9.4 2L
9
2%
Doak Bill 1914 STL S7*/3 2 (24)5.45,(15)4.81 16 1.094 19-6 1.72 256 118 6.8 0.1 4.1 E
2
0%
Trout Dizzy 1944 DET S8*/5 2 (45)2.39, (40).58 15 1.13 27-14 2.12 352 144 8 0.2 3.7 E
6
1%
Donovan Dick 1961 WAS S8 2 (55)3.55,(59)2.4 15 1.026 10-10 2.40 168 62 7.4 0.5 3.3 3L
5
1%
Krukow Mike 1986 GIA S7* 1 (83)2.28 14 1.05 20-9 3.05 245 178 7.5 0.9 6.5 E
10
2%
Reynolds Allie 1952 NYY S8*/4/1 2 (47)3.69, (50)3.89 13 1.19 20-8 2.06 244 160 7.1 0.5 5.1 E
3
1%
Bolin Bobby 1968 GIA S8/4 1 (62)1.14 13 0.985 10-5 1.99 176 126 6.5 0.5 6.4 1L
6
1%
Rooker Jim* 1974 PIT S8* 1 (79)3.04 13 1.18 15-11 2.78 262 139 7.8 0.4 4.8 3L
1
0%
Kern Jim 1979 TEX R3/5 1 (77).77 13 1.13 13-5 29 1.57 143 136 6.2 0.3 8.6 4R
5
1%
Denny John 1984 PHI S7 1 (78)4.6 13 0.98 7-7 2.45 154 94 7.1 0.6 5.5 E
7
2%
Montgomery Jeff 1992 KC R2/6 1 (91)1.63 13 1.065 1-6 39 2.18 82 69 6.6 0.5 7.5 E
2
0%
Morgan Tom 1961 CAL R3/4 1 (56).81 12 0.993 8-2 10 2.36 91 39 7.3 0.7 3.8 2L
2
0%
Howe Steve 1991 NYY R2/0 1 (80)2.09 12 0.952 3-1 3 1.68 48 34 7.3 0.2 6.3 7L
18
4%
Peterson Fritz* 1969 NYY S7* 1 (72)3.22 11 0.996 17-16 2.55 272 150 7.5 0.5 5.0 1L
5
1%
Henry Doug 1991 MIL R1/4 1 (92).90 11 0.833 2-1 15 1.00 36 28 4 0.3 7 E
5
1%
Wright Clyde* 1971 CAL S8* 1 (73)3.13 10 1.11 16-17 2.99 276 135 7.3 0.6 4.4 4L
1
0%
Mingori Steve* 1971 CLV R2/2 1 (77)1.03 10 0.971 1-2 4 1.43 56 45 4.9 0.3 7.1 2R
6
1%
Hoyt La Marr 1983 CHW S7* 1 (84)2.56 8 1.024 24-10 3.66 260 148 8.1 0.9 5.1 1R
8
2%
Krause Harry* 1909 ATH S9*/5 1 (11)3.32 5 0.939 18-8 1.39 213 139 6.4 0.1 5.9 E
17
4%
McGuire Deacon 1895 WAS C SS 1 (01)$1.04 26 336 388 478 865 123 578 17 30 8 10 97 E
11
3%
Franco Julio 1994 CHW 1B DH 1 (86)2.77 23 319 406 510 916 137 505 8 19 2 20 98 5L
19
5%
Davis George 1897 GIA SS 1 (01)3.60 20 353 410 509 918 144 564 65 31 10 10 135 1L
14
3%
Mota Manny 1966 PIT OF 2 (68).84,(62).50 20 332 383 472 855 137 359 7 16 7.0 5.0 46.0 1L
13
3%
Hebner* Richie 1972 PIT 3B 2 (75).73, (77)2.38 18 300 378 508 886 153 546 24 4 19 72 5L
14
3%
Gant Ron 1990 BRV OF 1 (91)1.42 16 303 357 539 896 139 631 33 34 3 32 84 1R
14
3%
Seymour* Cy 1905 CIN OF 1 (04)4.18 16 377 429 559 988 182 643 21 40 21 8 121 E
20
5%
Hansen Ron 1960 BAL SS 1 (67).50 15 255 342 440 781 111 606 3 22 5 22 86 1L
3
1%
Harper Tommy 1970 MIL 3B LF/RF 2 (63)1.08, (71)1.51 15 296 377 522 899 146 681 38 35 31 82 1R
16
4%
Parrish Larry 1979 MON 3B 1 (80)1.95 15 307 357 551 909 146 595 5 39 2 30 82 1L
7
2%
Daubert Jake 1913 DOD 1B 1 (20)4.13 15 350 405 423 829 135 572 25 17 7 2 52 E
3
1%
Remy* Jerry 1981 BOS 2B 2 (78)1.31,(83).63 10 307 368 338 706 100 410 9 9 1 0 31 3R
6
1%
Chapman Ben 1931 NYY OF 2B 1 (39)1.93 15 315 396 483 879 135 686 61 28 11 17 122 E
8
2%
Vaughn Greg 1998 SD LF 1 (91).94 15 272 363 597 960 156 661 11 28 4 50 119 2R
20
5%
Baerga** Carlos 1993 CLV 2B 1 (91)1.73 14 321 355 486 840 124 680 15 28 6 21 114 1R
14
3%
Hayes Jackie 1936 CHW 2B 3B 1 (37).53 14 312 366 444 810 97 461 34 3 5 84 E
0
No votes
Armas Tony 1984 BOS CF 1 (86).58 14 268 300 531 831 121 679 29 5 43 123 5R
10
2%
Logan Johnny 1956 BRV SS 2 (57)1.28,(53).75 13 281 340 431 771.00 112 631 3 27 5 15 46 3L
8
2%
Grantham* George 1929 PIT 1B 2B OF 1 (27)3.16 13 307 454 533 987 140 458 10 23 10 12 90 1R
19
5%
Herrman* Ed 1970 CHW C 1 (73).62 11 283 356 505 862 135 333 9 19 52 3R
2
0%
Johnson Bob W 1963 BAL 2B 1B SS 3B 1 (66).50 11 295 347 429 776 120 275 5 10 8 32 2L
1
0%
Mantilla Felix 1964 BOS 2B OF 2 (57)1.51,(59).50 11 275 357 553 910 144 466 20 1 30 64 4L
6
1%
Gaston Cito 1970 SD CF 1 (71)1.14 11 318 364 543 907 146 629 4 26 9 29 93 2L
12
3%
Harrelson Ken 1968 BOS 1B RF 1 (67).94 9 275 356 518 874 155 612 17 4 35 109 2R
7
2%
Kirkland* Willie 1959 GIA RF LF 1 (66).56 9 272 335 475 810 116 511 5 22 3 22 68 5R
0
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Rosie2167

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18.2 upgrade poll

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 5:29 pm

***Mistake alert! Larry Parrish 1979 card has already been voted in and was included in this poll by mistake. Please avoid voting for him. Thank you and my apologies.***

Ok let's vote on 18.2...aka 18.1.2. Voting is open for 1 week, until Thursday, April 26th @ 5pm PST.

I've already submitted...
Dave Righetti 1981 NYY SP
Rick Wise 1971 PHI SP
Benito Santiago 1987 SD C
Mike LaValliere 1987 PIT C
Larry Parrish 1979 MON 3B

So that leaves us with 20 spots. 10 upgraded cards and 10 cards from guys that have zero in the set. This was a tough grouping to whittle down, so many deserving players. So right up front, many worthy players were left off.

Each list of 50 contains 25 pitchers/25 batters. BUT you will be voting on each grouping (Upgrades/Zero) in whole. So there's potential for 2 pitchers and 8 batters to come out of one of the groupings.

Some of the parameters I used to get to these 50 upgraded and 50 zero carded nominations.
*I used years in their career as my top filter
*For the upgraded list I also compared their current ATG cards with the nominated cards. If those cards weren't available in one of the other sets I used the Card Viewer to make the comparisons.
*I eliminated all current players for this voting round as I had to do something to help get to the 50 per poll
*If the card was up for a recent vote and didn't do all that great I weighed that as well and mostly eliminated them for this vote

In the polls you will notice a bunch of data per nominee, the keys are below...
The data headers for pitchers
Last / First / Year / Franchise / Position / Cards currently in ATG / $$ Cards in ATG / Years in Career / WHIP / W-L / SVS / ERA / INN / SO / H per9 / HR per9 / SO per9 / BAL

The data headers for batters
Last / First / Year / Franchise / Position / Cards currently in ATG / $$ Cards in ATG / Years in Career / AVE / OBP / SLG / OPS / OPS+ / AB+BB / SB / 2B / 3B / HR / RBI / BAL

MORE INFO:
If you really want to dive in I also created a google docs that contains all the available links to the cards AND for those nominees that didn't have a card somewhere in SOM, I transcribed the data from Card Viewer...hopefully painting enough of a picture to put them on an even playing field with the cards everyone can see. The data in those cells reads like this...
BB / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / BP4 for each side. There is also a total for both OBP chances and Total bases. BPHR are NOT included. Figured you guys could do some math if you really wanted to.

Please note there 2 tabs, one for each grouping. Usability hint; take the zoom level down to 75%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

As always there is a high likelihood I messed something up. Feel free to post any corrections and I'll go in a change it if I can. Also post any additional player information you see fit, lobbying is legal.
NOW VOTE!
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Rosie2167

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Re: 18.2 upgrade poll

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 5:34 pm

Below are the links for all the cards we can see. For the numeric details on the players that don't have linked cards go to the google docs sheet listed above.

Last First Year Franchse Position Link to card
Rogers Kenny* 1995 TEX S7* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/3284/1690/1/90
Jackson Grant* 1973 BAL R3/3 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735825/1670/1/70
Pappas Milt 1964 BAL S7/4 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/39247/1660/1/60
Law Vern 1965 PIT S8* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/36857/1660/1/60
Bahnsen Stan 1968 NYY S8*/4
Henry Bill* 1964 CIN R2/3 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/35241/1660/1/60
Forster Terry* 1972 CHW R3/5 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/733915/1670/1/70
Doak Bill 1914 STL S7*/3
Trout Dizzy 1944 DET S8*/5
Donovan Dick 1961 WAS S8 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/33134/1660/1/60
Krukow Mike 1986 GIA S7* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/836654/1680/1/80
Reynolds Allie 1952 NYY S8*/4/1
Bolin Bobby 1968 GIA S8/4
Rooker Jim* 1974 PIT S8* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/740337/1670/1/70
Kern Jim 1979 TEX R3/5 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/736351/1670/1/70
Denny John 1984 PHI S7 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/832961/1680/1/80
Montgomery Jeff 1992 KC R2/6 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/3198/1690/1/90
Morgan Tom 1961 CAL R3/4
Howe Steve 1991 NYY R2/0 http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/35645/1690/1/90
Peterson Fritz* 1969 NYY S7* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/39467/1660/1/60
Henry Doug 1991 MIL R1/4
Wright Clyde* 1971 CAL S8* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/743212/1670/1/70
Mingori Steve* 1971 CLV R2/2
Hoyt La Marr 1983 CHW S7* http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/835661/1680/1/80
Krause Harry* 1909 ATH S9*/5


Last First Year Franchse Position Link to card
McGuire Deacon 1895 WAS C SS
Franco Julio 1994 CHW 1B DH http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/6282/1690/1/90
Davis George 1897 GIA SS
Mota Manny 1966 PIT OF http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/38571/1660/1/60
Hebner* Richie 1972 PIT 3B http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735154/1670/1/70
Gant Ron 1990 BRV OF
Seymour* Cy 1905 CIN OF
Hansen Ron 1960 BAL SS http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/34928/1660/1/60
Harper Tommy 1970 MIL 3B LF/RF http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/734979/1670/1/70
Parrish Larry 1979 MON 3B http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/739277/1670/1/70
Daubert Jake 1913 DOD 1B
Remy* Jerry 1981 BOS 2B
Chapman Ben 1931 NYY OF 2B
Vaughn Greg 1998 SD LF http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/3060/1690/1/90
Baerga** Carlos 1993 CLV 2B
Hayes Jackie 1936 CHW 2B 3B
Armas Tony 1984 BOS CF http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/830283/1680/1/80
Logan Johnny 1956 BRV SS
Grantham* George 1929 PIT 1B 2B OF
Herrman* Ed 1970 CHW C http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735299/1670/1/70
Johnson Bob W 1963 BAL 2B 1B SS 3B
Mantilla Felix 1964 BOS 2B OF
Gaston Cito 1970 SD CF http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/734219/1670/1/70
Harrelson Ken 1968 BOS 1B RF
Kirkland* Willie 1959 GIA RF LF
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Re: 18.2 upgrade poll

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:18 pm

I found that if I put 4 or 5 marbles in my mouth when I talk, I sound almost exactly like Jerry Remy.
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Re: 18.2 upgrade poll

PostFri Apr 20, 2018 1:29 am

Rosie: You've got 1979 Larry Parrish in this poll and he's already been elected and submitted in 18.1 and a half! Perhaps you can replace him on the ballot with another player. How about 1926 Johnny Mostil, who has just one card and would be a good top of the batting order smallball option in CF:

1926 Johnny Mostil, CF, White Sox .328 4 41 .415 .467 .882, 41 DO, 15 TR, 2nd in AL MVP voting. Led AL in HBP (10) & SBs (35) for the second straight year; Career highs in HITS, BA, DO, OBP & OPS. Led AL in CFer PO. From 1921-1926, the fleet footed Mostil was arguably the best defensive center fielder of his era, and legend has it that he is the only center fielder in major league history to catch a foul ball for a put out! The diminutive Mostil had a 10 year career with the White Sox, plagued by injuries and mental illness, but emerged as a star in 1926. Mostil has just 1 card (1923), which represents his WORST offensive season during the period 1921-1926, with his lowest BA and OPS in that span. Any of his other 5 seasons during that time would have been better, but 1926 was his best.

Mostil's bio can be viewed at the link below:

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9650ff1e

If you decide to replace Parrish with another third baseman, these players are worthy of an upgraded card:

1980 Buddy Bell, Texas .329 17 83 .379 .498 .877 Gold Glove. Career highs in BA, SLG, OPS & OPS+. 2nd career high in OBP.
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/830734/1680/1/80

1991 Terry Pendleton, Braves .319 22 86 .363 .517.880 NL MVP Led league in BA, HITS & TB. Switch hitter. Career highs in BA, HR, SLG, OBP, OPS & OPS+. 2nd career high in RUNS, HITS & DO. 2e27
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/803545/1680/1/80
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Re: 18.2 upgrade poll

PostFri Apr 20, 2018 8:31 am

BDWard wrote:Rosie: You've got 1979 Larry Parrish in this poll and he's already been elected and submitted in 18.1 and a half! Perhaps you can replace him on the ballot with another player. How about 1926 Johnny Mostil, who has just one card and would be a good top of the batting order smallball option in CF:

1926 Johnny Mostil, CF, White Sox .328 4 41 .415 .467 .882, 41 DO, 15 TR, 2nd in AL MVP voting. Led AL in HBP (10) & SBs (35) for the second straight year; Career highs in HITS, BA, DO, OBP & OPS. Led AL in CFer PO. From 1921-1926, the fleet footed Mostil was arguably the best defensive center fielder of his era, and legend has it that he is the only center fielder in major league history to catch a foul ball for a put out! The diminutive Mostil had a 10 year career with the White Sox, plagued by injuries and mental illness, but emerged as a star in 1926. Mostil has just 1 card (1923), which represents his WORST offensive season during the period 1921-1926, with his lowest BA and OPS in that span. Any of his other 5 seasons during that time would have been better, but 1926 was his best.

Mostil's bio can be viewed at the link below:

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9650ff1e

If you decide to replace Parrish with another third baseman, these players are worthy of an upgraded card:

1980 Buddy Bell, Texas .329 17 83 .379 .498 .877 Gold Glove. Career highs in BA, SLG, OPS & OPS+. 2nd career high in OBP.
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/830734/1680/1/80

1991 Terry Pendleton, Braves .319 22 86 .363 .517.880 NL MVP Led league in BA, HITS & TB. Switch hitter. Career highs in BA, HR, SLG, OBP, OPS & OPS+. 2nd career high in RUNS, HITS & DO. 2e27
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/803545/1680/1/80

Thanks for the catch. As I posted in the other poll, there's no way to edit the polls without resetting the results...so we just go with what we have. I'll post a warning about Parrish.
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