19.2 Nominations are Open!

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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 7:34 pm

Welcome to the 19.2 Nomination thread.

All MLB cards from 1871-2017 are eligible per Strat.
(2018 cards will be eligible for 19.4)

Our 19.2 parameters are as follows.
1. One nomination per member only
2. When we hit 40 unique nominations we will begin voting
3. If we get more than 40 those missing the cut will roll to 19.3
4. We will have one poll of 50 cards; the top 25 will be added
5. Any ties for the 25th spot will automatically be added in 19.3
6. Next "x" highest vote getters will get another shot in 19.3

Please submit nominations in a 'Year Player Team Position Comments' format.

Thanks,
Bill

The 10 cards below will be included in the 50-card 19.2 poll.
1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3b
1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP
1967 Orlando Cepeda STL 1b
1993 Paul Molitor Toronto 1b
1991 Otis Nixon ATL OF
1969 Andy Messersmith Angels SP/RP
1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b
1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF
1952 Ferris Fain PHA 1b
1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1b

1. 1961 Eddie Mathews MLN 3b (Bunze0)
2. 2014 Johnny Cueto CIN SP 20-9 WHIP .96, ERA 2.25, 2nd in Cy Young vote, would be 1st card for Cueto (gator39)
3. 1981 Kirk Gibson Det Of - Strike shortened season. Gibby batted .328, OB of .369, OPS of .849. He also hit 9 home runs in only 290 at bats. He stole 17 bases. He led Detroit to a near Divison title, only to be beaten by the Brewers on the last day. (DanTheMan)
4. 2012 Jake McGee TB LHRP 1.95era 0.795whip 9R lefty gives up nothing to righties and decent vs lefties. Great card!! Need more Rays cards!
5. 1920 Buck Weaver CHA 3b. By far Bucky's best year. .331 BA and bulletproof injury. Let's get a Bucky card we can use! John Cusack thanks you.
6. 2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91502/2012/1/2012 How is it that one of the better RPs isn't represented.
7. 1972 Bill Stoneman MON SP. 251 IP, 2.98 ERA, 1.26 WHIP. Expos first star pitcher, (threw a no-hitter in their 9th game ever), is only represented by his 1969 card from Montreal's inaugural season. He had more IP, W and K in 1971, but 1972 was his best season. This guy deserves better!
8. 1923 Tris Speaker CF. His best offensive season. 133 runs scored, league leading 130 rbi's. 59 Doubles (his best season for the all time doubles leader) 11 Triples and a lifetime best 17 HR's. Hit: .380 .469 .610 1.079. One of the few mega superstars with only two cards.
9. 2000 Steve Finley ARZ CF. Arizona has no cards that qualify at cf. 35hr's and a gold glove with decent speed.
10.1962 Frank Robinson, REDS, OF, Bats R .342/.421/.624/1.045, 51 DO, 39 HR, 136 RBI. Arguably Robinson's best season. Followed up '61 MVP with an even better season in '62! Career highs in G, BA, H, R, 2B, RBI, OBP & TB. 2nd career bests in HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Bulletproof.
11. 1985 Donnie Moore Angels RP. Was treated shamefully by fans in real life. Let's do right by him in Strat.
12. 1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, 129 RBI, 33 HR, 700+ PA!..how about a every game starter behind the plate
13. 1947 Harry Walker, STL/PHI, .363/.436/.487, led league in triples (16), BA & OBP, 150 OPS+, 9th in MVP, CF/1B/LF
14. 1960 Lindy McDaniel, STL/CHC/NYY,12-4, 2.09 ERA, .937 WHP, CYA-3, MVP-5, best year, good add for post franchise
15. 2007 Chipper Jones ATL .337/.425/.604 3b 2-e19 Better and think Best Chipper card - def better than current one(s)
16. (Hallerose)
17. 1978 Amos Otis, Royals, CF 2(-4) e3 .298/.380/.525/.905, 22 HR, 96 RBI, 32 SBs. Career highs in RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, BB, HR. Unlike other Otis cards, this is a well balanced card with decent OBP, that could bat nearly anywhere in the lineup, including leadoff.
18. 1965 Don Pavletich Reds C
19. 2013 Matt "Batman" Harvey METS, SP 178 innings, 191 KO, .931 WHIP, lowest homeruns per 9 in league
20. 2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA. LF, EVEN, 3(0)e9, .317/.390/ .578, 44 doubles, 31HR, 103 RBI- Gives FLA some help building a better team
21. 1936 Arky Vaughan PGH SS, .335 BA, .453 OBP, .474 SA, 30 doubles, 11 triples, 9 homers. 600-plus plate appearances.
22. 1980 Mike Easler (LF/RF) Pirates (.338/.396/.583) better card than that NYY one we have
23. 1972 Billy Williams, Cubs, LF 3(0), Bats L .333/.398/.606/1.005, 37 HR, 122 RBI. Career highs in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in HR & RBI. Led League in BA, SLG, OPS, OPS+ & TB. Finished 2nd in MVP voting to Johnny Bench for the 2nd time in 3 years. It's time to give HOFer Sweet Swingin' Billy his best card.
24. 2000 Richard Hidalgo Houston CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8 - LF 1e8. I went through the top 250 single season slugging percentages of all time, and by and large almost every season is represented with a card (many players appear multiple times) - But, excluding 2018 season, there are only two players who have no card. Stanton is the other, and I figure he's too obvious to be forgotten. This is number 134. Plus an OF corner 1 (-4). 314/391/636. Houston franchise has NO corner OF 1.
25. 2017 Corey Kluber SP CLE 18-4 IP203.2 BB36 SO265 ERA2.25 WHIP0.87 Balance E No card
26.1917 Ty Cobb. led the league in almost every category without injury problems
27.1977 Gary Carter .284 avg. 31 hr- .356 obp- 525 slg.- 881 ops- 8l
28.1993 Mike Stanley 17 2B 26 HR 84 RBI .305/.389/.534/.923
29.1988 Juan Agosto LHRP 10-2 2.26 ERA/1.13 WHIP, need more modern era lefty relief pitchers, NO card in the set
30. 1948 Harry 'the Cat' Brecheen: LH. 20-7, 2.24 ERA, 182 ERA+, 1.03 WHIP, Led NL in ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP. 5th in MVP. 8.9 WAR. S9/R4, e0, -3 hold.
31. 1977 ROGER FRE... opps! I mean 1980 San Diego Padres bench guy Luis Salazar!!!! .337 BA Always hit a lot of triples for me!! :D
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 9:14 pm

Welcome to the 19.2 Nomination thread.

All MLB cards from 1871-2017 are eligible per Strat.
(2018 cards will be eligible for 19.4)

Our 19.2 parameters are as follows.
1. One nomination per member only
2. When we hit 40 unique nominations we will begin voting
3. If we get more than 40 those missing the cut will roll to 19.3
4. We will have one poll of 50 cards; the top 25 will be added
5. Any ties for the 25th spot will automatically be added in 19.3
6. Next "x" highest vote getters will get another shot in 19.3

Please submit nominations in a 'Year Player Team Position Comments' format.

Thanks,
Bill

The 10 cards below will be included in the 50-card 19.2 poll.
1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3b
1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP
1967 Orlando Cepeda STL 1b
1993 Paul Molitor Toronto 1b
1991 Otis Nixon ATL OF
1969 Andy Messersmith Angels SP/RP
1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b
1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF
1952 Ferris Fain PHA 1b
1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1b

1. 1961 Eddie Mathews MLN 3b (Bunze0)
2. 2014 Johnny Cueto CIN SP 20-9 WHIP .96, ERA 2.25, 2nd in Cy Young vote, would be 1st card for Cueto (gator39)
3. 1981 Kirk Gibson Det Of - Strike shortened season. Gibby batted .328, OB of .369, OPS of .849. He also hit 9 home runs in only 290 at bats. He stole 17 bases. He led Detroit to a near Divison title, only to be beaten by the Brewers on the last day. (DanTheMan)
4. 2012 Jake McGee TB LHRP 1.95era 0.795whip 9R lefty gives up nothing to righties and decent vs lefties. Great card!! Need more Rays cards!
5. 1920 Buck Weaver CHA 3b. By far Bucky's best year. .331 BA and bulletproof injury. Let's get a Bucky card we can use! John Cusack thanks you.
6. 2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91502/2012/1/2012 How is it that one of the better RPs isn't represented.
7. 1972 Bill Stoneman MON SP. 251 IP, 2.98 ERA, 1.26 WHIP. Expos first star pitcher, (threw a no-hitter in their 9th game ever), is only represented by his 1969 card from Montreal's inaugural season. He had more IP, W and K in 1971, but 1972 was his best season. This guy deserves better!
8. 1923 Tris Speaker CF. His best offensive season. 133 runs scored, league leading 130 rbi's. 59 Doubles (his best season for the all time doubles leader) 11 Triples and a lifetime best 17 HR's. Hit: .380 .469 .610 1.079. One of the few mega superstars with only two cards.
9. 2000 Steve Finley ARZ CF. Arizona has no cards that qualify at cf. 35hr's and a gold glove with decent speed.
10.1962 Frank Robinson, REDS, OF, Bats R .342/.421/.624/1.045, 51 DO, 39 HR, 136 RBI. Arguably Robinson's best season. Followed up '61 MVP with an even better season in '62! Career highs in G, BA, H, R, 2B, RBI, OBP & TB. 2nd career bests in HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Bulletproof.
11. 1985 Donnie Moore Angels RP. Was treated shamefully by fans in real life. Let's do right by him in Strat.
12. 1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, 129 RBI, 33 HR, 700+ PA!..how about a every game starter behind the plate
13. 1947 Harry Walker, STL/PHI, .363/.436/.487, led league in triples (16), BA & OBP, 150 OPS+, 9th in MVP, CF/1B/LF
14. 1960 Lindy McDaniel, STL/CHC/NYY,12-4, 2.09 ERA, .937 WHP, CYA-3, MVP-5, best year, good add for post franchise
15. 2007 Chipper Jones ATL .337/.425/.604 3b 2-e19 Better and think Best Chipper card - def better than current one(s)
16. (Hallerose)
17. 1978 Amos Otis, Royals, CF 2(-4) e3 .298/.380/.525/.905, 22 HR, 96 RBI, 32 SBs. Career highs in RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, BB, HR. Unlike other Otis cards, this is a well balanced card with decent OBP, that could bat nearly anywhere in the lineup, including leadoff.
18. 1965 Don Pavletich Reds C
19. 2013 Matt "Batman" Harvey METS, SP 178 innings, 191 KO, .931 WHIP, lowest homeruns per 9 in league
20. 2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA. LF, EVEN, 3(0)e9, .317/.390/ .578, 44 doubles, 31HR, 103 RBI- Gives FLA some help building a better team
21. 1936 Arky Vaughan PGH SS, .335 BA, .453 OBP, .474 SA, 30 doubles, 11 triples, 9 homers. 600-plus plate appearances.
22. 1980 Mike Easler (LF/RF) Pirates (.338/.396/.583) better card than that NYY one we have
23. 1972 Billy Williams, Cubs, LF 3(0), Bats L .333/.398/.606/1.005, 37 HR, 122 RBI. Career highs in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in HR & RBI. Led League in BA, SLG, OPS, OPS+ & TB. Finished 2nd in MVP voting to Johnny Bench for the 2nd time in 3 years. It's time to give HOFer Sweet Swingin' Billy his best card.
24. 2000 Richard Hidalgo Houston CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8 - LF 1e8. I went through the top 250 single season slugging percentages of all time, and by and large almost every season is represented with a card (many players appear multiple times) - But, excluding 2018 season, there are only two players who have no card. Stanton is the other, and I figure he's too obvious to be forgotten. This is number 134. Plus an OF corner 1 (-4). 314/391/636. Houston franchise has NO corner OF 1.
25. 2017 Corey Kluber SP CLE 18-4 IP203.2 BB36 SO265 ERA2.25 WHIP0.87 Balance E No card
26.1917 Ty Cobb. led the league in almost every category without injury problems
27.1977 Gary Carter .284 avg. 31 hr- .356 obp- 525 slg.- 881 ops- 8l
28.1993 Mike Stanley 17 2B 26 HR 84 RBI .305/.389/.534/.923
29.1988 Juan Agosto LHRP 10-2 2.26 ERA/1.13 WHIP, need more modern era lefty relief pitchers, NO card in the set
30. 1948 Harry 'the Cat' Brecheen: LH. 20-7, 2.24 ERA, 182 ERA+, 1.03 WHIP, Led NL in ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP. 5th in MVP. 8.9 WAR. S9/R4, e0, -3 hold.
31. 1977 ROGER FRE... opps! I mean 1980 San Diego Padres bench guy Luis Salazar!!!! .337 BA Always hit a lot of triples for me!! :D
32. 1888 SP Ice Box Chamberlain for the St Louis Browns. 11-2 record, 112 IP, 61 hits, 1.61 ERA, 0.786 WHIP. Probably a 5 day pitcher and dead ball's answer to Joel Pinero. (Silver King wasn't bad either...).
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 11:56 pm

Andy Cummings wrote:

I'm not a personal fan of cards before 1894 either, but instead of taking time to complain, why don't you nominate that 2014 McCutchen card you are always asking for? This is the perfect time.



Good point Andy! I nominate 2014 Andrew McCutchen... I didn't nominate anyone because there are so many cards that need adding I couldn't decide who... Thanks...

I just think it is silly these guys from the 1800s, but whatever... Unleashed set sounds good, or maybe I will just stick to Post War, though that limits my opportunities in an already limited setting.

Of course if he isn't priced right, what does it matter... Isn't Matt Kemp too expensive compared to the rest in that price range?
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 12:01 am

Welcome to the 19.2 Nomination thread.

All MLB cards from 1871-2017 are eligible per Strat.
(2018 cards will be eligible for 19.4)

Our 19.2 parameters are as follows.
1. One nomination per member only
2. When we hit 40 unique nominations we will begin voting
3. If we get more than 40 those missing the cut will roll to 19.3
4. We will have one poll of 50 cards; the top 25 will be added
5. Any ties for the 25th spot will automatically be added in 19.3
6. Next "x" highest vote getters will get another shot in 19.3

Please submit nominations in a 'Year Player Team Position Comments' format.

Thanks,
Bill

The 10 cards below will be included in the 50-card 19.2 poll.
1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3b
1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP
1967 Orlando Cepeda STL 1b
1993 Paul Molitor Toronto 1b
1991 Otis Nixon ATL OF
1969 Andy Messersmith Angels SP/RP
1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b
1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF
1952 Ferris Fain PHA 1b
1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1b

1. 1961 Eddie Mathews MLN 3b (Bunze0)
2. 2014 Johnny Cueto CIN SP 20-9 WHIP .96, ERA 2.25, 2nd in Cy Young vote, would be 1st card for Cueto (gator39)
3. 1981 Kirk Gibson Det Of - Strike shortened season. Gibby batted .328, OB of .369, OPS of .849. He also hit 9 home runs in only 290 at bats. He stole 17 bases. He led Detroit to a near Divison title, only to be beaten by the Brewers on the last day. (DanTheMan)
4. 2012 Jake McGee TB LHRP 1.95era 0.795whip 9R lefty gives up nothing to righties and decent vs lefties. Great card!! Need more Rays cards!
5. 1920 Buck Weaver CHA 3b. By far Bucky's best year. .331 BA and bulletproof injury. Let's get a Bucky card we can use! John Cusack thanks you.
6. 2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91502/2012/1/2012 How is it that one of the better RPs isn't represented.
7. 1972 Bill Stoneman MON SP. 251 IP, 2.98 ERA, 1.26 WHIP. Expos first star pitcher, (threw a no-hitter in their 9th game ever), is only represented by his 1969 card from Montreal's inaugural season. He had more IP, W and K in 1971, but 1972 was his best season. This guy deserves better!
8. 1923 Tris Speaker CF. His best offensive season. 133 runs scored, league leading 130 rbi's. 59 Doubles (his best season for the all time doubles leader) 11 Triples and a lifetime best 17 HR's. Hit: .380 .469 .610 1.079. One of the few mega superstars with only two cards.
9. 2000 Steve Finley ARZ CF. Arizona has no cards that qualify at cf. 35hr's and a gold glove with decent speed.
10.1962 Frank Robinson, REDS, OF, Bats R .342/.421/.624/1.045, 51 DO, 39 HR, 136 RBI. Arguably Robinson's best season. Followed up '61 MVP with an even better season in '62! Career highs in G, BA, H, R, 2B, RBI, OBP & TB. 2nd career bests in HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Bulletproof.
11. 1985 Donnie Moore Angels RP. Was treated shamefully by fans in real life. Let's do right by him in Strat.
12. 1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, 129 RBI, 33 HR, 700+ PA!..how about a every game starter behind the plate
13. 1947 Harry Walker, STL/PHI, .363/.436/.487, led league in triples (16), BA & OBP, 150 OPS+, 9th in MVP, CF/1B/LF
14. 1960 Lindy McDaniel, STL/CHC/NYY,12-4, 2.09 ERA, .937 WHP, CYA-3, MVP-5, best year, good add for post franchise
15. 2007 Chipper Jones ATL .337/.425/.604 3b 2-e19 Better and think Best Chipper card - def better than current one(s)
16. (Hallerose)
17. 1978 Amos Otis, Royals, CF 2(-4) e3 .298/.380/.525/.905, 22 HR, 96 RBI, 32 SBs. Career highs in RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, BB, HR. Unlike other Otis cards, this is a well balanced card with decent OBP, that could bat nearly anywhere in the lineup, including leadoff.
18. 1965 Don Pavletich Reds C
19. 2013 Matt "Batman" Harvey METS, SP 178 innings, 191 KO, .931 WHIP, lowest homeruns per 9 in league
20. 2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA. LF, EVEN, 3(0)e9, .317/.390/ .578, 44 doubles, 31HR, 103 RBI- Gives FLA some help building a better team
21. 1936 Arky Vaughan PGH SS, .335 BA, .453 OBP, .474 SA, 30 doubles, 11 triples, 9 homers. 600-plus plate appearances.
22. 1980 Mike Easler (LF/RF) Pirates (.338/.396/.583) better card than that NYY one we have
23. 1972 Billy Williams, Cubs, LF 3(0), Bats L .333/.398/.606/1.005, 37 HR, 122 RBI. Career highs in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in HR & RBI. Led League in BA, SLG, OPS, OPS+ & TB. Finished 2nd in MVP voting to Johnny Bench for the 2nd time in 3 years. It's time to give HOFer Sweet Swingin' Billy his best card.
24. 2000 Richard Hidalgo Houston CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8 - LF 1e8. I went through the top 250 single season slugging percentages of all time, and by and large almost every season is represented with a card (many players appear multiple times) - But, excluding 2018 season, there are only two players who have no card. Stanton is the other, and I figure he's too obvious to be forgotten. This is number 134. Plus an OF corner 1 (-4). 314/391/636. Houston franchise has NO corner OF 1.
25. 2017 Corey Kluber SP CLE 18-4 IP203.2 BB36 SO265 ERA2.25 WHIP0.87 Balance E No card
26.1917 Ty Cobb. led the league in almost every category without injury problems
27.1977 Gary Carter .284 avg. 31 hr- .356 obp- 525 slg.- 881 ops- 8l
28.1993 Mike Stanley 17 2B 26 HR 84 RBI .305/.389/.534/.923
29.1988 Juan Agosto LHRP 10-2 2.26 ERA/1.13 WHIP, need more modern era lefty relief pitchers, NO card in the set
30. 1948 Harry 'the Cat' Brecheen: LH. 20-7, 2.24 ERA, 182 ERA+, 1.03 WHIP, Led NL in ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP. 5th in MVP. 8.9 WAR. S9/R4, e0, -3 hold.
31. 1977 ROGER FRE... opps! I mean 1980 San Diego Padres bench guy Luis Salazar!!!! .337 BA Always hit a lot of triples for me!! :D
32. 1888 SP Ice Box Chamberlain for the St Louis Browns. 11-2 record, 112 IP, 61 hits, 1.61 ERA, 0.786 WHIP. Probably a 5 day pitcher and dead ball's answer to Joel Pinero. (Silver King wasn't bad either...).
33. 2014 Michael Brantley 3rd in MVP Voting! No cards .327/.385/.890 LF-1 CF-2 660 PA 20 HR 23 SB 45 DB 97 RBI 200 H
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 12:26 am

Radagast Brown wrote:Andy Cummings wrote:

I'm not a personal fan of cards before 1894 either, but instead of taking time to complain, why don't you nominate that 2014 McCutchen card you are always asking for? This is the perfect time.



Good point Andy! I nominate 2014 Andrew McCutchen... I didn't nominate anyone because there are so many cards that need adding I couldn't decide who... Thanks...

I just think it is silly these guys from the 1800s, but whatever... Unleashed set sounds good, or maybe I will just stick to Post War, though that limits my opportunities in an already limited setting.

Of course if he isn't priced right, what does it matter... Isn't Matt Kemp too expensive compared to the rest in that price range?


Well, the problem with 2013 is that it is on the wrong side of a platoon, difficult for guys to want to spend almost 9m on a card that really mashes Lefties but is weaker vs RHP.

I ran offensive stats on Diamond Dope for 2013 and 2014 McCutchen in Veterans 75 (10,10,10,10) and you can see that the 2014 Cutch, though balanced 2R, hits for good power against LHP but hits RHP much better than the 2013. (defense of both cards is very similar)
2013 McCutchen 4L
VS LHP 13.4 2b, 3.1 3b, 5.7 HR, 20 BB, 552/647/982, 1629 OPS
VS RHP 5.9 2b, 0.6 3b, 5.4 HR, 13 BB, 371/464/621, 1085 OPS
2014 McCutchen 2R
VS LHP 1.3 2b, 1.2 3b, 9.6 HR, 21 BB, 327/483/718, 1201 OPS
VS RHP 8.8 2b, 1.5 3b, 6.7 HR, 18 BB, 431/547/802, 1350 OPS

2014 is much better balanced.

I see you went with the 2014 Brantley. If you want to see how that stacks up with the 2014 Cutch, PM me.
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 10:28 am

I'm hoping we don't get too many nominations of the variety of 1965 Don Pavletich and 1980 Luis Salazar. Both players posted career highs in BA and OPS in less than 200 AB.

65 Pavletich .319 / .907 vs career numbers of .254 / .747
80 Salazar .337 / .834 vs career numbers of .261 / .673

If so, we may need to install some additional parameters.

Note on 1888 "Ice Box" - he also pitched for Louisville that season - Total of 308 IP 2.19 25-11

Thanks,
Bill
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 12:19 pm

BC15NY wrote:I'm hoping we don't get too many nominations of the variety of 1965 Don Pavletich and 1980 Luis Salazar. Both players posted career highs in BA and OPS in less than 200 AB.

65 Pavletich .319 / .907 vs career numbers of .254 / .747
80 Salazar .337 / .834 vs career numbers of .261 / .673

If so, we may need to install some additional parameters.

Note on 1888 "Ice Box" - he also pitched for Louisville that season - Total of 308 IP 2.19 25-11

Thanks,
Bill


Hey Bill--

I don't think there is anything wrong with a minimum ABs or IP for starters and IP for RPs to be eligible.
Having a card with less than 200ABs for example doesn't really fit the model for ATG imho.
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 4:01 pm

Welcome to the 19.2 Nomination thread.

All MLB cards from 1871-2017 are eligible per Strat.
(2018 cards will be eligible for 19.4)

Our 19.2 parameters are as follows.
1. One nomination per member only
2. When we hit 40 unique nominations we will begin voting
3. If we get more than 40 those missing the cut will roll to 19.3
4. We will have one poll of 50 cards; the top 25 will be added
5. Any ties for the 25th spot will automatically be added in 19.3
6. Next "x" highest vote getters will get another shot in 19.3

Please submit nominations in a 'Year Player Team Position Comments' format.

Thanks,
Bill

The 10 cards below will be included in the 50-card 19.2 poll.
1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3b
1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP
1967 Orlando Cepeda STL 1b
1993 Paul Molitor Toronto 1b
1991 Otis Nixon ATL OF
1969 Andy Messersmith Angels SP/RP
1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b
1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF
1952 Ferris Fain PHA 1b
1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1b

1. 1961 Eddie Mathews MLN 3b (Bunze0)
2. 2014 Johnny Cueto CIN SP 20-9 WHIP .96, ERA 2.25, 2nd in Cy Young vote, would be 1st card for Cueto (gator39)
3. 1981 Kirk Gibson Det Of - Strike shortened season. Gibby batted .328, OB of .369, OPS of .849. He also hit 9 home runs in only 290 at bats. He stole 17 bases. He led Detroit to a near Divison title, only to be beaten by the Brewers on the last day. (DanTheMan)
4. 2012 Jake McGee TB LHRP 1.95era 0.795whip 9R lefty gives up nothing to righties and decent vs lefties. Great card!! Need more Rays cards!
5. 1920 Buck Weaver CHA 3b. By far Bucky's best year. .331 BA and bulletproof injury. Let's get a Bucky card we can use! John Cusack thanks you.
6. 2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91502/2012/1/2012 How is it that one of the better RPs isn't represented.
7. 1972 Bill Stoneman MON SP. 251 IP, 2.98 ERA, 1.26 WHIP. Expos first star pitcher, (threw a no-hitter in their 9th game ever), is only represented by his 1969 card from Montreal's inaugural season. He had more IP, W and K in 1971, but 1972 was his best season. This guy deserves better!
8. 1923 Tris Speaker CF. His best offensive season. 133 runs scored, league leading 130 rbi's. 59 Doubles (his best season for the all time doubles leader) 11 Triples and a lifetime best 17 HR's. Hit: .380 .469 .610 1.079. One of the few mega superstars with only two cards.
9. 2000 Steve Finley ARZ CF. Arizona has no cards that qualify at cf. 35hr's and a gold glove with decent speed.
10.1962 Frank Robinson, REDS, OF, Bats R .342/.421/.624/1.045, 51 DO, 39 HR, 136 RBI. Arguably Robinson's best season. Followed up '61 MVP with an even better season in '62! Career highs in G, BA, H, R, 2B, RBI, OBP & TB. 2nd career bests in HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Bulletproof.
11. 1985 Donnie Moore Angels RP. Was treated shamefully by fans in real life. Let's do right by him in Strat.
12. 1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, 129 RBI, 33 HR, 700+ PA!..how about a every game starter behind the plate
13. 1947 Harry Walker, STL/PHI, .363/.436/.487, led league in triples (16), BA & OBP, 150 OPS+, 9th in MVP, CF/1B/LF
14. 1960 Lindy McDaniel, STL/CHC/NYY,12-4, 2.09 ERA, .937 WHP, CYA-3, MVP-5, best year, good add for post franchise
15. 2007 Chipper Jones ATL .337/.425/.604 3b 2-e19 Better and think Best Chipper card - def better than current one(s)
16. (Hallerose)
17. 1978 Amos Otis, Royals, CF 2(-4) e3 .298/.380/.525/.905, 22 HR, 96 RBI, 32 SBs. Career highs in RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, BB, HR. Unlike other Otis cards, this is a well balanced card with decent OBP, that could bat nearly anywhere in the lineup, including leadoff.
18. 1965 Don Pavletich Reds C
19. 2013 Matt "Batman" Harvey METS, SP 178 innings, 191 KO, .931 WHIP, lowest homeruns per 9 in league
20. 2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA. LF, EVEN, 3(0)e9, .317/.390/ .578, 44 doubles, 31HR, 103 RBI- Gives FLA some help building a better team
21. 1936 Arky Vaughan PGH SS, .335 BA, .453 OBP, .474 SA, 30 doubles, 11 triples, 9 homers. 600-plus plate appearances.
22. 1980 Mike Easler (LF/RF) Pirates (.338/.396/.583) better card than that NYY one we have
23. 1972 Billy Williams, Cubs, LF 3(0), Bats L .333/.398/.606/1.005, 37 HR, 122 RBI. Career highs in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in HR & RBI. Led League in BA, SLG, OPS, OPS+ & TB. Finished 2nd in MVP voting to Johnny Bench for the 2nd time in 3 years. It's time to give HOFer Sweet Swingin' Billy his best card.
24. 2000 Richard Hidalgo Houston CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8 - LF 1e8. I went through the top 250 single season slugging percentages of all time, and by and large almost every season is represented with a card (many players appear multiple times) - But, excluding 2018 season, there are only two players who have no card. Stanton is the other, and I figure he's too obvious to be forgotten. This is number 134. Plus an OF corner 1 (-4). 314/391/636. Houston franchise has NO corner OF 1.
25. 2017 Corey Kluber SP CLE 18-4 IP203.2 BB36 SO265 ERA2.25 WHIP0.87 Balance E No card
26.1917 Ty Cobb. led the league in almost every category without injury problems
27.1977 Gary Carter .284 avg. 31 hr- .356 obp- 525 slg.- 881 ops- 8l
28.1993 Mike Stanley 17 2B 26 HR 84 RBI .305/.389/.534/.923
29.1988 Juan Agosto LHRP 10-2 2.26 ERA/1.13 WHIP, need more modern era lefty relief pitchers, NO card in the set
30. 1948 Harry 'the Cat' Brecheen: LH. 20-7, 2.24 ERA, 182 ERA+, 1.03 WHIP, Led NL in ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP. 5th in MVP. 8.9 WAR. S9/R4, e0, -3 hold.
31. 1977 ROGER FRE... opps! I mean 1980 San Diego Padres bench guy Luis Salazar!!!! .337 BA Always hit a lot of triples for me!! :D
32. 1888 SP Ice Box Chamberlain for the St Louis Browns. 11-2 record, 112 IP, 61 hits, 1.61 ERA, 0.786 WHIP. Probably a 5 day pitcher and dead ball's answer to Joel Pinero. (Silver King wasn't bad either...).
33. 2014 Michael Brantley 3rd in MVP Voting! No cards .327/.385/.890 LF-1 CF-2 660 PA 20 HR 23 SB 45 DB 97 RBI 200 H
34. 1937 Zeke Bonura, CWS, Bats R, 1L Balance, 345/412/573, .985 OPS, 1b-4e17. Zeke Bonura held the White Sox Single Season RBI Record for 62 years, drove in 100 runs 4 times, fine hitter for the mid30s White Sox.
Pre White Sox Set has no strong 1b. (or 2b, or 3b, or RF, and so on...)
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 4:12 pm

Salty wrote:
BC15NY wrote:I'm hoping we don't get too many nominations of the variety of 1965 Don Pavletich and 1980 Luis Salazar. Both players posted career highs in BA and OPS in less than 200 AB.

65 Pavletich .319 / .907 vs career numbers of .254 / .747
80 Salazar .337 / .834 vs career numbers of .261 / .673

If so, we may need to install some additional parameters.

Note on 1888 "Ice Box" - he also pitched for Louisville that season - Total of 308 IP 2.19 25-11

Thanks,
Bill


Hey Bill--

I don't think there is anything wrong with a minimum ABs or IP for starters and IP for RPs to be eligible.
Having a card with less than 200ABs for example doesn't really fit the model for ATG imho.


Thanks for the feedback Salty. I think we will put something in place for 19.3 (other than for the full team add, of course. Nothing wrong with the .50 types with low ABs). Hopefully these two cards don't get any support from the voters. Perhaps Chuck might switch to 1981 Salazar instead for 19.2.
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Re: 19.2 Nominations are Open!

PostSat Feb 23, 2019 4:33 pm

Just an FYI. The 16 slot on the sign up list is currently empty, and so should be deleted. Hopefully Hallerose will make another pick...
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