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Poll ended at Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:37 pm

1. 1961 Eddie Mathews MLN, Bats-L, 2L Balance, 306/402/535, .937 OPS, 3B-2e19
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2. 2014 Johnny Cueto CIN, S7*, 1L Balance, 20-9, WHIP 0.96, ERA 2.25, 2nd in Cy Young vote, would be 1st card for Cueto
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3. 1981 Kirk Gibson DET, Bats-L, 3L Balance, 328/367/479, .846 OPS, ALL 3 OF Spots 3(-1)e10, Steal: *4-6/-18-13) - Strike shortened season. Gibby batted .328, OB of .369, OPS of .849. He also hit 9 home runs in only 290 at bats. He stole 17 bases. He led Detroit to a near Divison title, only to be beaten by the Brewers on the last day.
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4. 2012 Jake McGee TB, Throws-L, R1, 9R Balance, 1.95 ERA, 0.795 WHIP, lefty gives up nothing to righties and decent vs lefties. Great card!! Need more Rays cards!
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5. 1920 Buck Weaver CWS, Bats-R, 2R Balance, 331/365/420, .785 OPS, 3b-2e37/SS-3e31. By far Bucky's best year. .331 BA and bulletproof injury. Let's get a Bucky card we can use! John Cusack thanks you.
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6. 2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL, Throws-L, R1, 1L Balance, 1.01 ERA, 0.65 WHIP, https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91502/2012/1/2012 How is it that one of the better RPs isn't represented.
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7. 1972 Bill Stoneman MON, Throws-R, S8*, 5R Balance, 2.98 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 251 IP. Expos first star pitcher, (threw a no-hitter in their 9th game ever), is only represented by his 1969 card from Montreal's inaugural season. He had more IP, W and K in 1971, but 1972 was his best season. This guy deserves better!
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8. 1923 Tris Speaker CLE, Bats-L, E Balance, 380/469/610, 1.079 OPS. Eligible at ALL 3 OP spots-1(-4)e13. His best offensive season. 133 runs scored, league leading 130 rbi's. 59 Doubles (his best season for the all time doubles leader) 11 Triples and a lifetime best 17 HR's. Hit: .380 .469 .610 1.079. One of the few mega superstars with only two cards.
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9. 2000 Steve Finley ARZ, Bats-L, E Balance, 280/361/544, .905 OPS, CF-1(-)e3. Arizona has no cards that qualify at cf. 35hr's and a gold glove with decent speed.
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10.1962 Frank Robinson, CIN, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 342/421/624, 1.045 OPS. LF/RF-2(0)e2 51 DO, 39 HR, 136 RBI. Arguably Robinson's best season. Followed up '61 MVP with an even better season in '62! Career highs in G, BA, H, R, 2B, RBI, OBP & TB. 2nd career bests in HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Bulletproof.
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11. 1985 Donnie Moore CAL, Throws-R, R2, 7L balance, 1.92 ERA, 1.09 WHIP. Was treated shamefully by fans in real life. Let's do right by him in Strat.
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12. 1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, Bats-R, 3R Balance, 280/365/507, .872 OPS, C-1(-4)e2, 1b-4e24, 3b-4e18 129 RBI, 33 HR, 700+ PA!...how about an every game starter behind the plate
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13. 1947 Harry Walker, PHI, Bats-L, E Balance, 363/436/487, .923 OPS, ALL Of spots-2(0)e15, 1b-3e13 led league in triples (16), BA & OBP, 150 OPS+, 9th in MVP, CF/1B/LF
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14. 1960 Lindy McDaniel, STL, Throws-R, 3L Balance, S5/R3, 2.09 ERA, 0.94 WHIP. (HE WON'T BE AN RP-ONLY) 12-4, 2.09 ERA, .937 WHP, CYA-3, MVP-5, best year, good add for post franchise
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15. 2007 Chipper Jones ATL, Bats-S, 7R Balance, 337/425/604, 1.029 OPS 3b-3e12, SS-4e48. Better and think Best Chipper card - def better than current one(s)
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16. Dave Laroche 1976; LH Reliever, pitched 96 innings, with 104Ks,gave up only 2 HRs, .225 ERA. This is an incredible shutdown card which I have in my old set, but unfortunately it is not part of the 70's cards online. For those who play theme leagues a great addition to a weak Indians bullpen. (AKA Mr Irrelevant).
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17. 1978 Amos Otis, KC, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 298/374/525, .899 OPS, CF 2(-4)e3, Steal:*4-6/-(19-13). 22 HR, 96 RBI, 32 SBs. Career highs in RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, BB, HR. Unlike other Otis cards, this is a well balanced card with decent OBP, that could bat nearly anywhere in the lineup, including leadoff.
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18. 1965 Don Pavletich CIN, Bats-R, 1L Balance, 319/394/907, C-4(+2)e7, 1b-4e26.
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19. 2013 Matt "Batman" Harvey NYM, Throws-R, S7(wont have the *), 5L Balance, 2.27 ERA, 0.93 WHIP. 178 innings, 191 KO, .931 WHIP, lowest homeruns per 9 in league
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20. 2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA, Bats-L, E Balance, 317/390/578, .968 OPS, LF-3(0)e9, Steal: *7/-(19-12). .317/.390/ .578, 44 doubles, 31HR, 103 RBI- Gives FLA some help building a better team
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21. 1936 Arky Vaughan PIT, Bats-L, E Balance, 335/453/474, .927 OPS, SS-2e45 30 doubles, 11 triples, 9 homers. 600-plus plate appearances.
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22. 1980 Mike Easler PIT, Bats-L, 7R Balance, 338/396/583, .987 OPS, LF/RF-4(+1)e5 better card than that NYY one we have
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23. 1972 Billy Williams, CHC, Bats-L, 4R Balance, 333/398/606, 1.005 OPS. LF-3(0)e5, RF-4(0)e5, 1b-4e21. 37 HR, 122 RBI. Career highs in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in HR & RBI. Led League in BA, SLG, OPS, OPS+ & TB. Finished 2nd in MVP voting to Johnny Bench for the 2nd time in 3 years. It's time to give HOFer Sweet Swingin' Billy his best card.
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24. 2000 Richard Hidalgo HOU, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 314/391/636, 1.027 OPS. LF/RF-1(-4)e8, CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8  I went through the top 250 single season slugging percentages of all time, and by and large almost every season is represented with a card (many players appear multiple times) - But, excluding 2018 season, there are only two players who have no card. Stanton is the other, and I figure he's too obvious to be forgotten. This is number 134. Plus an OF corner 1 (-4). 314/391/636. Houston franchise has NO corner OF 1
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25. 2017 Corey Kluber CLE, S7(questionable on receiving *), E Balance, 2.25 ERA, 0.87 WHIP 18-4 IP203.2 BB36 SO265 No card
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26.1917 Ty Cobb, DET, Bats-L, E Balance, 383/444/570, 1.014 OPS, RF/LF-2(0)e11, CF-3(0)e11 led the league in almost every category without injury problems
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27.1977 Gary Carter MON, Bats-R, 8L Balance. 284//356/525, .881 OPS, C-4(0)e3, LF-4(-1)e7 31 hr
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28.1993 Mike Stanley NYY, Bats-R, 2L Balance, 305/389/534, .923 OPS, C-3(-1)e1 17 2B 26 HR 84 RBI 
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29.1988 Juan Agosto HOU, Throws-L, R2, 9L Balance, 2.26 ERA, 1.13 WHIP 10-2, need more modern era lefty relief pitchers, NO card in the set
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30. 1948 Harry 'the Cat' Brecheen STL, Throws-L, S9*/R4, 1L Balance, 2.24 ERA, 1.03 WHIP 20-7, 182 ERA+, Led NL in ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP. 5th in MVP. 8.9 WAR. S9/R4, e0, -3 hold.
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31. 1980 Luis Salazar SD, Throws-R, E Balance, 337/374/462, .836 OPS, LF/RF-3(-1)e16, 3b-4e29 .337 BA Always hit a lot of triples for me!! 
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32. 1888 Ice Box Chamberlain STL (not SLB) Throws-R, S9*, 2R Balance, 2.57 ERA, 1.05 WHIP (This is a combined card between LOU & SLM. Card will be based on the above ERA & WHIP.)
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33. 2014 Michael Brantley CLE, Bats-L, 2R Balance, 327/385/506, .891 OPS. LF-1(-2)e1, CF-2(-1)e1. 3rd in MVP Voting! No cards 660 PA 20 HR 23 SB 45 DB 97 RBI 200 H
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34. 1937 Zeke Bonura, CWS, Bats R, 1L Balance, 345/412/573, .985 OPS, 1b-4e17. Zeke Bonura held the White Sox Single Season RBI Record for 62 years, drove in 100 runs 4 times, fine hitter for the mid30s White Sox. Pre White Sox Set has no strong 1b. (or 2b, or 3b, or RF, and so on...)
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35. 1966 Bob Locker CWS, Throws-R, R3, 1R Balance, 2.46 ERA, 1.01 WHIP. He was one of the better relievers of his era and doesn't have a card. Here is a link to his card. https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1660/1/60
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36. 2005 Pedro Martinez NYM, Throws-R, S7(doubtful on the *), 1R Balance, 2.82 ERA, 0.94 WHIP. His last "best" card: 15-8, 2.82 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 208K in 217 IP
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37. 1967 Phil Niekro ATL, Throws-R, S9/R3 (doubtful on the *), 3L Balance, 1.87 ERA, 1.06 WHIP 67 is better than his current best card. It probably will get a lot of use since it most likely will be a five man rotation card.
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38. 1936 Lou Gehrig NYY, Bats-L, 1R Balance, 354/478/696, 1.174 OPS, 1B-3e9. His 2nd MVP season, NOT Bulletproof.
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39. 2002 Barry Bonds SF, Bats-L, 4L Balance, 370/582/799, 1.381 OPS, LF-2(+2)e10, Steal:*4/-(16-6) A little different from the other ATG Bonds cards, the 2002 card is better against lefties. An absolute monster of a card! 46 hr's and 31 doubles in only 403 ab, 
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40. 2003 Eric Chavez Oakland A's 3b
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41. 1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3B - .307/.367/.488 2R Balance, C-1(-3)e4, 3b-4e37 - MVP - probably a nice 5 mil card
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42. 1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP* - Rookie of the Year / 2.05 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 1R Balance, S8*/R4 - has 2 lesser carded years (1 SP '72 CHW/ 1 RP '80 MON)
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43. 1967 Orlando Cepeda, STL, 1B, DO-39, HR-25, RBI-111, BA- .325 OBP-.399 SLG - .524 League MVP for the champs.... 4L Balance, 1b-2e11
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44. 1993 Paul Molitor Toronto Blue Jays .332avg/.402obp 22/5/37/111rbi77 bb 22sb over 680 plate appearances and world series mvp, 3L Balance, 1b-4e21
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45. 1991 Otis Nixon - ATL OF .297/.371/.327. Fun player, 72 SB in a 124 games, 1L Balance, CF/LF/RF-2(+2)e5, *2-7,11/-(18-16)
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46. 1969 Andy Messersmith, Angels, SP & RP, 2.52 ERA, 1.08 Whip, 250 innings, 211Ks, gives Angels another solid SP, E Balance, S8*/R3
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47. 1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b .328/.417, 5R Balance, 1b-3e3, 3b-4e12, Obp 6 hr/6 trp/28dbl/ 74 bb good platoon played 15 years no card
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48. 1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF- .329 AL batting title, .824 OPS, 614 AB , 2R Balance, LF/RF-4(+2)e13 - represented by only 2 lesser, cheap cards
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49. 1952 Ferris Fain -- PHA -- .327/.438/.429/.867, 43 doubles, 105 walks, good for small ball teams, plus-600 plate appearances, E Balance, 1b-1e23
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50. 1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1B - .287/.404/.553, 2L Balance, LF/RF-3(-1)e3, CF-4(-1)e3, 1b-4e20 - 60s Mystery Set card is valued at $7.26M but top ATG card is $2.04M
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19.2 Voting now Open!

PostSun Feb 24, 2019 10:37 pm

Choose your top 15 cards. The Top 25 will be sent to Strat on March 7th. (Poll open for 10 days).

Thanks,
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 1:59 am

33. 2014 Michael Brantley CLE, Bats-L, 2R Balance, 327/385/506, .891 OPS. LF-1(-2)e1, CF-2(-1)e1. 3rd in MVP Voting! No cards 660 PA 20 HR 23 SB 45 DB 97 RBI 200 H


There's a typo in Brantley's CF defensive rating arm. He should be a CF-2(-2)e1.

Here's the link to Brantley's 2014 card:
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90807/2014/1/2014
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 1:11 pm

I'm not sure why '36 Gehrig is described as NOT bulletproof? 719 PA in 1936 = 0 INJ, no?
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 2:18 pm

rolandzeut wrote:I'm not sure why '36 Gehrig is described as NOT bulletproof? 719 PA in 1936 = 0 INJ, no?


The 1936 card does have an injury on it, though I would expect it to be a remainder of the game only type.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 4:03 pm

BC15NY wrote:
rolandzeut wrote:I'm not sure why '36 Gehrig is described as NOT bulletproof? 719 PA in 1936 = 0 INJ, no?


The 1936 card does have an injury on it, though I would expect it to be a remainder of the game only type.


Don't know the real reason why he is not bulletproof; he played in every game the Yankees played. The Yankees only played 153 games in 1936, while tying two games, for a total of 155 games. Gehrig played in all 155. I wonder if, because the Yankees didn't play 154 complete games, if that threw it off somehow.

But he does have an injury on 1-2 and 4-2
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 8:57 pm

andycummings65 wrote:
BC15NY wrote:
rolandzeut wrote:I'm not sure why '36 Gehrig is described as NOT bulletproof? 719 PA in 1936 = 0 INJ, no?

The 1936 card does have an injury on it, though I would expect it to be a remainder of the game only type.

Don't know the real reason why he is not bulletproof; he played in every game the Yankees played. The Yankees only played 153 games in 1936, while tying two games, for a total of 155 games. Gehrig played in all 155. I wonder if, because the Yankees didn't play 154 complete games, if that threw it off somehow.
But he does have an injury on 1-2 and 4-2

For what it's worth, I have never seen a player with 680 PA injured for even a partial game. I've played in a lot of Mystery Card leagues, where injuries are closely scrutinized because they might disclose a player's year. But it just never happens that a 1 player (680 PA) misses even part of a game due to injury. Cal Ripken, for example, in the 80s game, has injuries (for some reason) on his 83 and 84 cards. In both seasons he played every game. Ripken had 680+ PA in both years, and is rated as a 1 injury. And I've never seen him injured with either card.
So, for what it's worth, I treat the 0 and 1 ratings as functionally equivalent. And so far, at least, I have never been disappointed.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 7:26 am

OK, last day to vote. The current cutoff is 26 votes. Eddie Mathews and Steve Finley are tied for 25/26.

They are chasing Bench, Cobb, Brecheen, and yet another Pedro, who all have 28.

Guys chasing them are Bob Locker at 25, Otis Nixon and Buck Weaver at 24, and Michael Brantley and Stan Bahnsen at 23.

If you haven't voted yet, here's your chance to back your favorites.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 8:04 am

And this means that the following (with my opinions) are almost surely in.

Billy Williams - He will add to a weak position in the high cap leagues, and also give Cubs franchise teams a big-time LH bat to balance their lineups.

Richard Hidalgo - a welcome new face in the OF, and a prized reverse RH bat for the Minute Maid crowd.

Frank Robinson - This will likely be his best card.

Craig Kimbrel - yet another shutdown reliever.

Tris Speaker - it will be interesting to see whether this will be his best card.

Chipper Jones - definitely will be prized in high cap leagues.

Johnny Cueto - I think this card will disappoint his fans, with 2 BPHR and 5.5 XBH against RHB, although his card vs. left is better.

Corey Kluber - Another card that few will use, with a +6 hold, and 1.2 HR with 2 BPHR both ways. Great card otherwise.

Lindy McDaniel - An interesting 5-day starter, likely with a low price since he will be an S5/R3.

Amos Otis - Probably will be a popular CF at $100 million if the price is right.

Jake McGee - great matchup card and any Rays player is welcome.

Mike Easler - Fond memories of the Hit Man. My newlywed wife and I went to a Pirate game late in 1980 and after the game, stopped in one of our favorite restaurants for dinner. A few minutes later, Mike walked in with his wife and were seated next to us. He had had a good game, and we had a brief chat.

Barry Bonds - another card that nobody will use. Why do we keep doing this?

Phil Niekro - should be interesting to see his card. Likely will be a welcome addition to the 5-day starter set.

Dave LaRoche - good lefty relievers are still in short supply.

Zeke Bonura - Andy C is smiling.

Cliff Floyd - This card might be marginally useful at moderate caps, but it looks a lot like Bobby Higginson (.300/.370/.538), minus the glove. Still, should be included to start building a Marlins franchise.

Lou Gehrig - I think this might be another wasted card, since both his current cards represent seasons where he slugged over .700 with better batting averages and slightly worse OBP's. We will see.

Harry Walker - A nice card for a baseball lifer. Probably won't be of much use unless priced well.

Matt Harvey - an interesting 5-day starter card.

Johnny Bench - Lower triple slash stats across the board than the much-despised Carlton Fisk card. Primarily will be used because of the nearly injury proof status.

Ty Cobb - Another wasted card, with better hitting stats than only one of his current cards, and lousy defense.

Harry Brecheen - This might be a useful card at mid caps.

Pedro Martinez - the only reason I can see for including this card is to hook Pedro to Mets franchise teams. He had 5 seasons with ERA+ over 200 and FIP under 2.40 and 28 guys voted for a season with 146 and 2.95. Really. I'd rather see a Syndergaard card added.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 9:04 am

Can we have a voting where we get upgraded cards and players with NO cards ONLY? I'm tired of players getting a 4th, 5th or even 6th card when a number of players have NONE or NON-usable cards!
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 9:52 am

FRANKMANSUETO wrote:Can we have a voting where we get upgraded cards and players with NO cards ONLY? I'm tired of players getting a 4th, 5th or even 6th card when a number of players have NONE or NON-usable cards!

We can certainly look at that at some point. However, it appears that we will have at least several cards in this add that meet that criteria.

Thanks,
Bill

Also, thanks to rburgh for the analysis.
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