USKL

DRAFT ORDER:
1 Cubit
2 Tanman
3 Nyhawk
4 Akindian
5 Keyzick (record vs. CF13 and Ninersphan 37-35)
6 MLBPhan (record vs Ninersphan and Keyzick 42-42)
7 Ninersphan (record vs. CF-13 and Keyzick 41-43)
8 Fowldawg
9 Kevin
10 Splinter
11 Palmtana
12 Champ

I had to go to the rulebook to figure out how to break a 3 way tie between Keyzick/MLBphan/Ninersphan. I used the 'Combined Standings' and then Combined Head to Head. In this case, I computed the records for each manager against the other 2 during the 2 seasons. Bill gets the bad end of stick (2 games under .500).

RULES - Tiebreak
7. Heading into the start of a NEW YEAR -- the Divisions (AND the FREE AGENT DRAFT ORDER) will be in order of the previous year's total combined standings. Any ties will be broken by; 1. Head to Head results and if needed -best head to head better seed; 2. Greatest positive RS-RA differential. The league will be formed such that the EAST will be teams 1-4, the CENTRAL 5-8 and the WEST 9-12.

Drops Needed by Wednesday:
Tanman
Nythawk
Fowldawg
Splinter
Ninersphan

DRAFT ORDER
Order Team
1 Cubit
2 Tanman
3 Nythawk
4 Akindian
5 Keyzick
6 MLBPhan
7 Ninersphan
8 Fowldawg
9 Kevin
10 Splinter
11 Palmtana
12 Champ

Kev, if Rick is 42-42 and I’m 41-43 how is it I’m picking after him??

Kev, if Rick is 42-42 and I’m 41-43 how is it I’m picking after him??

Bill, I already posted the rules on tiebreakers earlier explaining why you are behind Keyzick and MLB. The best head to head record gets the higher seed. You had the worst of the 3.

7. Heading into the start of a NEW YEAR -- the Divisions (AND the FREE AGENT DRAFT ORDER) will be in order of the previous year's total combined standings. Any ties will be broken by; 1. Head to Head results and if needed -best head to head better seed; 2. Greatest positive RS-RA differential. The league will be formed such that the EAST will be teams 1-4, the CENTRAL 5-8 and the WEST 9-12.

So instead of helping the teams with worse vrecords with higher draft position they get punished again for losing to much?!

Ooooooooooooookay. It’s F$&@ed up but if those are the rules,

Anyone else think that’s backwards??

So instead of helping the teams with worse vrecords with higher draft position they get punished again for losing to much?!

Ooooooooooooookay. It’s F$&@ed up but if those are the rules,

Anyone else think that’s backwards??

Yeah, it's pretty backwards. I believe that was an original rule about 14 years ago long before I knew about Keeper leagues. Perhaps we can take a vote and reverse it for next year.

Ninersphan then your argument should be about the #5 spot & NOT my #6 spot since you’re arguing about your under 500 record. My record is an even 500 & the person in the #5 spot finished above 500.

So instead of helping the teams with worse vrecords with higher draft position they get punished again for losing to much?!

Ooooooooooooookay. It’s F$&@ed up but if those are the rules,

Anyone else think that’s backwards??

“best head to head equals better seed” & your argument is worse head to head record should equal better seed correct??

currently:
#5 = 37 & 35
#6 = 42 & 42
#7 = 41 & 43

& your argument should be this;
#5 = 41 & 43
#6 = 42 & 42
#7 = 37 & 35

hell I could argue most wins head to head (not accounting for # of losses) equals better seed which would put me at #5 or that highest # of losses head to head equals better seed which puts you at 5, me (still) at 6 & keyzick at 7.

Anyone else think that’s backwards??

I do. Time to update.

The same thing happened in HCKL last year for the Supp. Draft. 3 teams had the same record for Season 1.
HCKL rules are, uh....bare bones. So I went with head to head to head records of the 3 teams involved:

Smokey - 7-14 (.33%)
Myself - 13-20 (.39%)
fowldawg - 27-11 (Corollary guy battered us)

So Smokey got the 3rd pick, me 4th and fowldawg 5th.

I used the 'Combined Standings' and then Combined Head to Head.

I'm not sure what "Combined Standings" is is but I would suggest using head to head to head for a true determination of how the 3 teams stacked up against each other.

Or, some KL's use Run Differential to break ties. Lots less figuring.

For a situation such as this that occurs rarely maybe a vote isn't needed. I'm good with whatever you want to decide on.

I think we’d all agree that the teams with the worse records should get higher seeds. As Kev and Niners point out, apparently our tiebreaker rules were put in place years ago, so probably time to revise/clarify.

Proposal for change going forward, if there is a

2-way tie
- team with worse head to head gets higher seed (ie, better draft choice)
- if still tied, go by runs scored...team with less gets higher seed
- if still tied, coin flip (to end endless tie breaker scenarios!)

3 or more tie
- record versus tied teams...worse gets highest, best gets worst
- if all 3 still tied, go by runs scored
- if left with 2 teams tied, refer to 2-way tie scenario above

Ninersphan then your argument should be about the #5 spot & NOT my #6 spot since you’re arguing about your under 500 record. My record is an even 500 & the person in the #5 spot finished above 500.

So instead of helping the teams with worse vrecords with higher draft position they get punished again for losing to much?!

Ooooooooooooookay. It’s F$&@ed up but if those are the rules,

Anyone else think that’s backwards??

“best head to head equals better seed” & your argument is worse head to head record should equal better seed correct??

currently:
#5 = 37 & 35
#6 = 42 & 42
#7 = 41 & 43

& your argument should be this;
#5 = 41 & 43
#6 = 42 & 42
#7 = 37 & 35

hell I could argue most wins head to head (not accounting for # of losses) equals better seed which would put me at #5 or that highest # of losses head to head equals better seed which puts you at 5, me (still) at 6 & keyzick at 7.

To me, if its's head to head then

#5 should be 37 and 35
#6 Should be 41 And 43
#7 should be 42 And 42

And I really think kev is mis-interpreting "better seed." I really don't think the intent of the rule was to give teams that did better a better draft pick, that just makes no sense. I'll live with it, but it needs to be changed going forward.