Marlins Team Vote

There are only two viable options for the Marlins Team add.

Please choose one.

Thanks,
Bill

I'm thinking, overall, more usable cards in a 2003 Marlins add.

Just using the 2003 Marlins. If this is the chosen team, Luis Castillo is already a part of ATG. Below is a list of players that would make nice additions to the Marlins.

Giancarlo Stanton (2014 or 2017)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91266/2014/1/2014
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91266/2017/1/2017

Josh Johnson (2011)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90721/2011/1/2011

Marcell Ozuna (2017)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91805/2017/1/2017

Thanks for the suggestions Frank.

I'd be partial to adding the 2014 Stanton card in place of Castillo.

Bill

That's my choice as well.

It looks like 2017 is a better card. That would be my vote

2014 Giancarlo Stanton, FLA, Bats-R, 3L Balance, RF-2(-3)e7
LH--12.1 2b, 0 3b, 11.5 HR, 16 BB 452/538/964, 1.502 OPS
RH--4.1 2b, 0 3b, 12.5 HR, 18 BB 325/444/793, 1.237 OPS
Led League in HR. 2nd in MVP Vote.

2017 Giancarlo Stanton, FLA, Bats-R, 4L Balance, RF-2(-3)e4
LH--10.2 2b, 0 3b, 19.3 HR, 20 BB 410/531/1.200, 1.731 OPS
RH--3.4 2b, 0 3b, 15.4 HR, 14 BB 303/406/842, 1.248 OPS
Led League in HR & RBI. MVP.




2009 Josh Johnson, FLA, Throws-R, 1L Balance, S6(Close decision whether a * or not)
LH--15.9 1b, 0.8 2b, 0.6 3b, 0 HR, 4 BB 166/197/185, .381 OPS
RH--11.3 1b, 0.2 2b, 1.3 3b, 3.3 HR, 5 BB 156/195/278, .473 OPS

2010 Josh Johnson, FLA, Throws-R, 1L Balance, S6
LH--10.2 1b, 3.5 2b, 1.4 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 139/139/196, .335 OPS
RH--7.3 1b, 3.7 2b, 0.3 3b, 0 HR, 4 BB 108/141/150, .291 OPS
5th in CY Voting.

There's a reason the 2011 Johnson had such good numbers; he only pitched 60 innings that year. Let's not go down that road. We already cherry-pick some pitching numbers enough.
I like the 2010 card, though it is not a *



2017 Marcel Ozuna, Bats-R, 4R Balance, FLA, LF-2(-2)e5, CF-3(-2)e5
LH--0.3 2b, 1 3b, 3.5 HR, 9 BB 374/426/503, .928 OPS
RH--5.1 2b, 0 3b, 11.3 HR, 12 BB 384/453/789, 1.241 OPS
This is why I hate adding very recent cards, when we haven't had a chance to see how a guy's career plays out. Is Ozuna the guy who slashed 312/376/548 with a .924 OPS in ONE season (2017), or is he the guy who every other season of his career slashes around 280/320/440 with a .760 OPS and 22 Homers? Looks to me like he's the latter.


A few other add ideas:

Marlins need an Edgar Renteria:
1996 Edgar Renteria, FLA, Bats-R, 2R Balance, SS-2e17, Steal: *6/-(19-11)
LH—7.4 2b, 1.6 3b, 1.6 HR, 9 BB 248/318/404, .722 OPS
RH—2 2b, 0.8 3b, 1.8 HR, 7 BB 398/442/487, .929 OPS

1997 Edgar Renteria, FLA, Bats-R, 1R Balance, SS-1e19, Steal: *2-6,12/-(17-13)
LH--1.5 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 12 BB 258/347/274, .621 OPS
RH--1.4 2b, 0.6 3b, 1.5 HR, 5 BB 306/344/375, .719 OPS
If you want him to hit some, 1996. If you want that 1 at SS, 1997.



A couple of multi-position subs, and subs is one of the reasons we do a team add:
1996 Alex Arias, FLA, Bats-R, E Balance, 2b-3e8, SS-3e27, 3b-3e20, 1b-4e30
LH--8.9 2b, 3 3b, 0 HR, 2 BB 281/314/425, .739 OPS
RH--3.1 2b, 0.6 3b, 0.5 HR, 7 BB 304/368/362, .730 OPS

2006 Alfredo Amezaga, FLA, Bats-S, 7R Balance, 2b-2e23, SS-3e27, 3b-3e28, 1b-4e20, CF-3(+2)e10, LF/RF-4(+2)e10
LH--0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 11 BB 000/120/000, .120 OPS
RH--0 2b, 1.4 3b, 1.5 HR, 6 BB 304/356/376, .732 OPS




A couple of CF to give FLA a 1 option:
1993 Chuck Carr, FLA , Bats-S, E Balance, CF-1(-1)7, Steal: *2-6,9/-(18-15)
LH--4.6 2b, 0.5 3b, 2.3 HR, 8 BB 237/301/361, .662 OPS
RH--0.2 2b, 0 3b, 1 HR, 9 BB 273/340/305, .645 OPS
First Marlins "star".....

1996 Devon White, FLA, Bats-S, 4L balance, CF-1(-1)e5, Steal: *2-5/-(19-13)
LH--14.5 2b, 0 3b, 8 HR, 3 BB 368/403/745, 1.148 OPS
RH--6.2 2b, 2.1 3b, 2.8 HR, 2 BB 252/287/433, .720 OPS



1997 Jay Powell, FLA, Throws-R, 4R Balance, R2
LH--21.3 1b, 5.5 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 5 BB 260/294/314, .608 OPS
RH--9.4 1b, 3.5 2b, 0.4 3b, 0 HR, 12 BB 138/234/183, .417 OPS

If we're looking to add more cards for those that are already in then why not

2015 Dee Gordon (if it's to replace Castillo at least he's a 2b and keeps the positional ratio intact)
or
2005 Miguel Cabrera (Spent most of the year as their LF)


*Sry I don't have access to the advanced stats that Andy (and others) do.

2014 Giancarlo Stanton, FLA, Bats-R, 3L Balance, RF-2(-3)e7
LH--12.1 2b, 0 3b, 11.5 HR, 16 BB 452/538/964, 1.502 OPS
RH--4.1 2b, 0 3b, 12.5 HR, 18 BB 325/444/793, 1.237 OPS
Led League in HR. 2nd in MVP Vote.

2017 Giancarlo Stanton, FLA, Bats-R, 4L Balance, RF-2(-3)e4
LH--10.2 2b, 0 3b, 19.3 HR, 20 BB 410/531/1.200, 1.731 OPS
RH--3.4 2b, 0 3b, 15.4 HR, 14 BB 303/406/842, 1.248 OPS
Led League in HR & RBI. MVP.




2009 Josh Johnson, FLA, Throws-R, 1L Balance, S6(Close decision whether a * or not)
LH--15.9 1b, 0.8 2b, 0.6 3b, 0 HR, 4 BB 166/197/185, .381 OPS
RH--11.3 1b, 0.2 2b, 1.3 3b, 3.3 HR, 5 BB 156/195/278, .473 OPS

2010 Josh Johnson, FLA, Throws-R, 1L Balance, S6
LH--10.2 1b, 3.5 2b, 1.4 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 139/139/196, .335 OPS
RH--7.3 1b, 3.7 2b, 0.3 3b, 0 HR, 4 BB 108/141/150, .291 OPS
5th in CY Voting.

There's a reason the 2011 Johnson had such good numbers; he only pitched 60 innings that year. Let's not go down that road. We already cherry-pick some pitching numbers enough.
I like the 2010 card, though it is not a *



2017 Marcel Ozuna, Bats-R, 4R Balance, FLA, LF-2(-2)e5, CF-3(-2)e5
LH--0.3 2b, 1 3b, 3.5 HR, 9 BB 374/426/503, .928 OPS
RH--5.1 2b, 0 3b, 11.3 HR, 12 BB 384/453/789, 1.241 OPS
This is why I hate adding very recent cards, when we haven't had a chance to see how a guy's career plays out. Is Ozuna the guy who slashed 312/376/548 with a .924 OPS in ONE season (2017), or is he the guy who every other season of his career slashes around 280/320/440 with a .760 OPS and 22 Homers? Looks to me like he's the latter.


A few other add ideas:

Marlins need an Edgar Renteria:
1996 Edgar Renteria, FLA, Bats-R, 2R Balance, SS-2e17, Steal: *6/-(19-11)
LH—7.4 2b, 1.6 3b, 1.6 HR, 9 BB 248/318/404, .722 OPS
RH—2 2b, 0.8 3b, 1.8 HR, 7 BB 398/442/487, .929 OPS

1997 Edgar Renteria, FLA, Bats-R, 1R Balance, SS-1e19, Steal: *2-6,12/-(17-13)
LH--1.5 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 12 BB 258/347/274, .621 OPS
RH--1.4 2b, 0.6 3b, 1.5 HR, 5 BB 306/344/375, .719 OPS
If you want him to hit some, 1996. If you want that 1 at SS, 1997.



A couple of multi-position subs, and subs is one of the reasons we do a team add:
1996 Alex Arias, FLA, Bats-R, E Balance, 2b-3e8, SS-3e27, 3b-3e20, 1b-4e30
LH--8.9 2b, 3 3b, 0 HR, 2 BB 281/314/425, .739 OPS
RH--3.1 2b, 0.6 3b, 0.5 HR, 7 BB 304/368/362, .730 OPS

2006 Alfredo Amezaga, FLA, Bats-S, 7R Balance, 2b-2e23, SS-3e27, 3b-3e28, 1b-4e20, CF-3(+2)e10, LF/RF-4(+2)e10
LH--0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 11 BB 000/120/000, .120 OPS
RH--0 2b, 1.4 3b, 1.5 HR, 6 BB 304/356/376, .732 OPS

Andy Fox played a bunch of positions for them when he was there in 2000-2002




A couple of CF to give FLA a 1 option:
1993 Chuck Carr, FLA , Bats-S, E Balance, CF-1(-1)7, Steal: *2-6,9/-(18-15)
LH--4.6 2b, 0.5 3b, 2.3 HR, 8 BB 237/301/361, .662 OPS
RH--0.2 2b, 0 3b, 1 HR, 9 BB 273/340/305, .645 OPS
First Marlins "star".....

1996 Devon White, FLA, Bats-S, 4L balance, CF-1(-1)e5, Steal: *2-5/-(19-13)
LH--14.5 2b, 0 3b, 8 HR, 3 BB 368/403/745, 1.148 OPS
RH--6.2 2b, 2.1 3b, 2.8 HR, 2 BB 252/287/433, .720 OPS



1997 Jay Powell, FLA, Throws-R, 4R Balance, R2
LH--21.3 1b, 5.5 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 5 BB 260/294/314, .608 OPS
RH--9.4 1b, 3.5 2b, 0.4 3b, 0 HR, 12 BB 138/234/183, .417 OPS

The intent, for the most part, is to add the season being voted in (almost certainly 2003). Any cards from the 2003 team already in the set can be replaced by any Marlins card. The next step would be to look at players from the 2003 team that don't really have useable cards to see if they can be replaced by cards from other Marlin's seasons (e.g. Andy Fox).

The idea is to make the Marlins viable for playing in a franchise league (need some cheap cards for that), while staying mostly true to the World Championship season being voted in.

Thanks,
Bill

2003 Marlins

Looks like we can easily make a case for 3 or 4 'at large' position players and 3 additional relief pitchers (Marlins only have one reliever in ATG).

1 C Ivan Rodriguez
2 1B Derrek Lee
3 2B Luis Castillo (already in) - sub with ???
4 SS Alex Gonzalez
5 3B Mike Lowell
6 LF Todd Hollandsworth*
7 CF Juan Pierre* (similar 2004 card in ATG) - substitute?
8 RF Juan Encarnacion

9 UT Miguel Cabrera
10 LF Brian Banks#
11 C Mike Redmond
12 UT Andy Fox* (better in 2002)
13 IF Mike Mordecai (better in 2002) - or substitute?
14 LF Jeff Conine (only 84 ab w/Marlins in 03, has other Marlins card) - substitute?

1 SP Carl Pavano
2 SP Brad Penny
3 SP Mark Redman
4 SP Dontrelle Willis
5 SP Josh Beckett

6 CL Braden Looper
7 RP Michael Tejera
8 RP Armando Almanza (5L 2000 card better - this one is bad)
9 RP Tim Spooneybarger (only season w/Marlins, only 42 IP) - substitute?
10 RP Ugueth Urbina (only season w/Marlins, partial year) - substitute?