19.3 Nominations STRAT stats

Posting to show the data from the actual Strat cards for the 19.3 Nominations. I input all stats on DiamondDope through Veterans 1975 (10,10,10,10) to give us an idea of how the card will actually perform. I've included some current card information for a few players of consequence that already have a card or cards.


1999 Fred McGriff, TB, Bats-L, 4R Balance, 1b-4e17, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—1.8 2b, 1 3b, 7 HR, 13 BB 180/279/441, .720 OPS
RH--6.8 2b, 0 3b, 7.9 HR, 17 BB 387/483/722, 1.205 OPS

Current 1992 McGriff, 5.31m, SD, Bats-L, E Balance, 1b-2e13, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—4.8 2b, 2 3b, 9.6 HR, 16 BB 308/410/716, 1.126 OPS
RH--6.5 2b, 0 3b, 10.2 HR, 17 BB 318/425/725, 1.150 OPS




1968 Andy Messersmith CAL, Throws-R, S6, 1L Balance
LH—4 2b, 0 3b, 0 2b, 10 BB 041/130/082, .211 OPS
RH--0.9 2b, 2 3b, 0 HR, 16 BB 032/175/085, .261 OPS
Did the above in 5 starts, 81 IP.

Current 1974 Messersmith, 7.32m, LA, Throws-R, 2L Balance, S7*
LH—1. 2b, 0 3b, 2.4 HR, 10 BB 119/200/205 , .405 OPS
RH--0.8 2b, 0.6 3b, 3.9 HR, 7 BB 158/213/294, .507 OPS




1922 Ray Grimes, CHC, Bats-R, E Balance, 1b-4e21, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--11.3 2b, 3 3b, 3.8 HR, 18 BB 441/539/761, 1.301 OPS
RH--10.8 HR, 3 3b, 3.6 HR, 18 BB 429/529/739, 1.268 OPS



2009 Adrian Gonzalez SD, Bats-L, 5R Balance, 1b-1e7, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—3 2b, 1 3b, 7.3 HR, 18 BB 252/391/558, .949 OPS
RH—4 2b, 0 3b, 15 HR, 25 BB 386/539/991, 1.530 OPS




1969 Ollie Brown, SD, Bats-R, 5L Balance, RF-2(-4)e8, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--0 2b, 1.2 3b, 12 HR, 14 BB 366/454/778, 1.232 OPS
RH--3.4 2b, 0.2 3b, 3.2 HR, 5 BB 260/301/389, .690 OPS




1930 George Watkins, STL, Bats-L, 5R Balance, LF/RF-3(-1)e15, CF-4(-1)e15, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--16.2 2b, 3.5 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 289/302/508, .810 OPS
RH--8.7 2b, 1.3 3b, 8.8 HR, 5 BB 459/494/832, 1.327 OPS




1972 Gary Nolan, CIN, Throws-R, 3L Balance, S7 (most likely no *)
LH—1 2b, 1.4 3b, 1.4 HR, 2 BB 117/134/192, .325 OPS
RH-- 6.2 2b, 0 3b, 2.6 HR, 0 BB 204/204/332, .536 OPS

Current 1971 Nolan, 5.88m, CIN, Throws-R, S7*
LH—8.6 2b, 1 3b, 0.9 HR, 3 BB 153/176/280, .456 OPS
RH--5.2 2b, 1.5 3b, 1.5 HR, 4 BB 198/228/320, .548 OPS





1977 Bobby Bonds, CAL, Bats-R, 1L Balance, RF-2(-4)e5, Steal: *2-6,11/-(17-15), 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—0 2b, 2.1 3b, 14.4 HR, 13 BB 263/359/765, 1.124 OPS
RH--4.1 2b, 2 3b, 8 HR, 15 BB 264/373/613, .985 OPS

Current 1973 Bonds, 6.80m. SF, Bats-R, 3R Balance, RF-1(-4)e12, CF-3e12, Steal: *2-6,11/- (17-14), In Game INJ Risk
LH—7 2b, 0 3b, 9.8 HR, 11 BB 220/306/598, .904 OPS
RH--5.4 2b, 1 3b, 9.15 HR, 17 BB 373/477/759, 1.236 OPS




2001 Bob Wickman, CLE, Throws-R, 5R Balance, R1
LH—0 2b, 2.6 3b, 0 HR, 7 BB 249/297/300, .597 OPS
RH—2.8 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 138/138/164, .302 OPS




2012 Kris Medlen, ATL, Throws-R, E Balance, S7/R3
LH—2.1 2b, 0.8 3b, 0 HR, 2 BB 128/144/163, .307 OPS
RH—2 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 1 BB 133/141/152, .293 OPS




2017 Nolan Arenado COL , Bats-R, 9L Balance, 3b-1e10, In Game INJ Only
LH--11.5 2b, 0.8 3b, 17 HR, 7 BB 570/602/1.210, 1.811 OPS
RH--7.8 2b, 2 3b, 5.3 HR, 10 BB 285/357/568, .925 OPS
For comparison, Arenado's other best season is listed below....

2016 Nolan Arenado, COL, Bats-R, Balance, 3b-1e13, In Game INJ Only
LH—5.6 2b, 0.7 3b, 7 HR, 11 BB 263/345/554, .899 OPS
RH—6 2b, 1.5 3b, 9.8 HR, 10 BB 362/427/758, 1.185 OPS




1998 Orlando Hernandez, NYY, Throws-R, 8R Balance, S7 (doubt he gets the *)
LH—5.2 2b, 0.8 3b, 2.8 HR, 12 BB 250/333/407, .741 OPS
RH--1.8 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 9 BB 041/121/060, .181 OPS




2016 DJ LeMahieu, COL, Bats-R, E Balance, 2b-1e6, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—9.5 2b, 2.1 3b, 1.4 HR, 18 BB 402/507/600, 1.107 OPS
RH-- 4.4 2b, 2.4 3b, 5 HR, 8 BB 481/524/725, 1.249 OPS




1988 Bobby Witt, TEX, Throws-R, 1L Balance, S8(doubt he gets the *)
LH—0.2 2b, 1.1 3b, 0 HR, 21 BB 124/294/150, .444 OPS
RH--0.9 2b, 0.4 3b, 3.6 HR, 22 BB 101/284/246, .530 OPS




2007 Bobby Jenks CWS, Throws-R, 4R Balance, R1
LH--0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 161/161/161, .321 OPS
RH—0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 024/024/024, .048 OPS



2009 Nick Punto, MIN, Bats-S, 1L Balance, 2b-2e5, SS-2e21, 3b-2e11, Steal: *4,5/-(19-12)
LH--2.8 2b, 0 3b, 1.6 HR, 17 BB 189/325/274, .598 OPS
RH--1.6 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 22 BB 168/345/186, .531 OPS




1897 Fred Clarke, LOU, Bats-L, 2R Balance, LF-2(+1)e25, CF-3(+1)e25, Steal: *3-6/-(18-13), 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—4.3 2b, 3.6 3b, 0.9 HR, 7 BB 368/462/523, .985 OPS
RH--7.5 2b, 3.6 3b, 1.4 HR, 7 BB 465/544/671, 1.215 OPS

Current 1903 Clarke, 6.35m, PIT, Bats-L, E Balance, LF-2(+1)e5, RF-3e5, CF-4e5, SS-4e36, Steal: *4-6,12/-(18-13),
2 INJ Rating, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—9.6 2b, 5.3 3b, 2.3 HR, 10 BB 427/485/705, 1.190 OPS
RH--9.6 2b, 5.3 3b, 2.3 HR, 10 BB 427/485/705, 1.190 OPS
He won't be a Pirate. Many Louisville players like Clarke and Wagner were purchased from Louisville by the Pirates when Barney Dreyfuss, former Louisville owner, bought controlling stock in the Pirates. So Louisville Colonels weren’t subsumed by Pittsburgh Pirates, but Pirates bought many Louisville players when Louisville ceased operations.



1976 Ron Leflore, DET, Bats-R, 2L Balance, CF-3(0)e14, Steal: *6-8/-(18-15), 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--5.3 2b, 3.3 3b, 1.4 HR, 13 BB 431/505/601, 1.105 OPS
RH--3.5 2b, 1.5 3b, 1.4 HR, 8 BB 345/400/454, .854 OPS




2007 Russ Springer, STL, Throws-R, 7R Balance, R1
LH—6.3 2b, 4.3 3b, 0 HR, 8 BB 150/213/298, .510 OPS
RH—0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 8 BB 000/074/000, .074 OPS




1989 Mickey Tettleton, BAL, Bats-S, E Balance, C-3(+1)e1, 3 INJ Rating
LH--1.8 2b, 0 3b, 11.3 HR, 21 BB 152/317/560, .877 OPS
RH--3.4 2b, 0.5 3b, 8.8 HR, 23 BB 274/429/636, 1.065 OPS

Current 1993 Tettleton, 3.82, DET, Bats-S, 1L Balance, C-4(+1)e1, 1b-3e13, RF/LF-4(+2)e7
LH--7.4 2b, 0.9 3b, 7 HR, 30 BB 247/456/635, 1.091 OPS
RH--1.8 2b, 0.8 3b, 8.2 HR, 22 BB 179/346/503, .849 OPS




1986 Ron Hassey, CWS, Bats-L, 4R Balance, C-4(+1)e6, 3 INJ Rating, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—8 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 10 BB 278/358/361, .719 OPS
RH--9.5 2b, 0 3b, 3.7 HR, 15 BB 412/505/638, 1.143 OPS




2012 Adrian Beltre, TEX, Bats-R, 5R Balance, 3b-1e10, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—2.1 2b, 0 3b, 4.2 HR 1 BB 278/298/418, .716 OPS
RH—7 2b, 0.3 3b, 10 HR, 3 BB 422/449/787, 1.236 OPS

Current 2004 Adrian Beltre, 8.50m, LA, Bats-R, 5R Balance, 3b-2e11, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—4.4 2b, 0 3b, 5.6 HR, 9 BB 334/395/548, .943 OPS
RH—4.9 2b, 0 3b, 15 HR, 6 BB 451/487/946, 1.433 OPS



1941 Elmer Riddle, CIN, Throws-R, 2R Balance, S9/R5 (may get *, it’ll be close)
LH—5.4 2b, 0 3b, 0.4 HR, 4 BB 180/210/243, .453 OPS
RH--0.6 2b, 0.8 3b, 1.1 HR, 5 BB 116/157/168, .325 OPS
He is NOT a RP-only. This may matter to the nominator, or maybe not.




1962 Floyd Robinson, CWS, Bats-L, 3R Balance, RF/LF-3(-1)e9, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--6.3 2b, 2.3 3b, 1.4 HR, 9 BB 265/333/417, .750 OPS
RH--10.9 2b, 2.5 3b, 1 HR, 10 BB 379/442/574, 1.016 OPS





1974 Don Money, MIL, Bats-R, 2R Balance, 3b-1e5, 2b-4e17, In Game INJ Risk
LH—4.7 2b, 0 3b, 2.6 HR, 6 BB 260/308/383, .691 OPS
RH—6 2b, 0.8 3b, 2.6 HR, 11 BB 281/361/440, .801 OPS

Current 1982 Money, 5.12m, MIL, Bats-R, 3R Balance, 1b-3e15, 3b-4e36, 2b-4e27, 2 INJ Rating, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—4.8 2b, 1.5 3b, 8.9 HR, 17 BB 280/400/661, 1.061 OPS
RH—4.8 2b, 1.2 3b, 12.3 HR, 5 BB 406/439/837, 1.276 OPS

Current 1978 Money, 4.33m, MIL, Bats-R, 3L Balance, 1b-3e11, 2b-4e14, 3b-2e8, SS-4e80, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--6.7 2b, 0 3b, 4.5 HR, 8 BB 428/486/636, 1.122 OPS
RH--6.5 2b, 0.4 3b, 2.8 HR, 9 BB 302/379/464, .841 OPS





1991 Bobby Bonilla, PIT, Bats-S, E Balance, RF-3(-1)e4, 1b-4e7, 3b-4e37
LH--5.9 2b, 0.2 3b, 10.2 HR, 8 BB 310/368/682, 1.050 OPS
RH--11.5 2b, 1.6 3b, 0.2 HR, 24 BB 379/523/561, 1.084 OPS





1991 Rick Aguilera, MIN, Throws-R, E Balance, R1
LH--0.8 2b, 0.6 3b, 0.9 HR, 14 BB 061/183/111, .294 OPS
RH--5.1 2b, 1.5 3b, 0 HR, 6 BB 086/137/165, .302 OPS




1941 Thornton Lee, CWS, Throws-L, 2L Balance, S9*
LH—3 2b, 0.6 3b, 0.4 HR, 2 BB 125/141/175, .316 OPS
RH--3.1 2b, 0.3 3b, 2.2 HR, 6 BB 171/217/272, .489 OPS





1969 Ken Tatum, CAL, Throws-R, 2R Balance, R3
LH—5.2 2b, 0.8 3b, 0 HR, 9 BB 082/158/151, .309 OPS
RH—0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 16 BB 007/154/007, .160 OPS



1997 Rusty Greer, TEX, Bats-L, E Balance, LF/RF-2(-1)e13, CF-3(-1)e13
LH--10.7 2b, 0 3b, 4.1 HR, 20 BB 368/488/629, 1.117 OPS
RH--6.4 2b, 0.6 3b, 5 HR, 13 BB 395/474/636, 1.109 OPS





1954 Smoky Burgess, PHI, Bats-L, 8R Balance, C-4(+1)e9
LH--4.2 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 256/256/294, .550 OPS
RH--11.4 2b, 2.1 3b, 2.7 HR, 11 BB 496/547/740, 1.287 OPS





1962 Al Kaline, DET, Bats-R, E Balance, RF-1(-4)e6
LH--8.3 2b, 1.2 3b, 10.5 HR, 22 BB 346/479/837, 1.316 OPS
RH--7.7 2b, 2.6 3b, 11.8 HR, 9 BB 351/405/836, 1.241 OPS






1933 Pepper Martin, STL, Bats R, E Balance, 3b-3e26, Stealing: *4-6,12/-(18-13)
LH--6.6 2b, 3 3b, 1.6 HR, 14 BB 399/482/586, 1.068 OPS
RH--6.4 3b, 3 3b, 1.7 HR, 14 BB 394/478/582, 1.059




1981 Andre Dawson, MON, Bats-R, 2L Balance, CF-1(-2)e11, Steal:*2-5/-(19-14), 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--5.7 2b, 0 3b, 14.1 HR, 0 BB 375/398/837, 1.235 OPS
RH--0.5 2b, 1 3b, 15 HR, 3 BB 330/370/800, 1.173 OPS




1954 Minnie Minoso, CWS, Bats-R, 1R Balance, LF-1(-2)e9, RF-2(-2)e9, CF-3(-2)e8, 3b-4e26
LH--2.6 2b, 5.2 3b, 2.2 HR, 13 BB 397/503/617, 1.120 OPS
RH--6.7 2b, 4.9 3b, 5.4 HR, 13 BB 409/513/774, 1.287 OPS




1959 Dick Stuart, PIT, Bats-R, 3L balance, 1b-4e30, LF-4(+3)e16
LH--4.6 2b, 0 3b, 13.5 HR, 12 BB 443/510/917, 1.427 OPS
RH--2.4 2b, 0.9 3b, 11.5 HR, 8 BB 349/403/740, 1.143 OPS




1917 Eddie Cicotte, CWS, Throws-R, E Balance, S9*/R5
LH--0.5 2b, 0.2 3b, 0.2 HR, 1 BB 109/117/123, .240 OPS
RH--0.5 2b, 0.2 3b, 0.2 HR, 1 BB 107/115/121, .235 OPS




2011 Jacoby Ellsbury, BOS, Bats-L, 2R Balance, CF-1(0)e0, Steal: *2-6,11,12/-(17-13), IN Game INJ Risk
LH--12.3 2b, 2.4 3b, 4.4 HR, 7 BB 327/389/636, 1.025 OPS
RH--6.5 2b, 0 3b, 9.6 HR, 7 BB 418/472/778, 1.250 OPS




1945 Johnny Dickshot, CWS, Bats-L, E Balance, LF/RF/CF-3(0)e10, Steal: *4-6,12/-(18-13), 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--3.4 2b, 3.2 3b, 0.7 HR, 9 BB 327/389/447, .836 OPS
RH--3.2 2b, 3.2 3b, 0.8 HR, 9 BB 320/383/441, .825 OPS



1974 Steve Busby, KC, Throws-R, 1R Balance, S8*
LH--3.8 2b, 0.6 3b, 0 HR, 11 BB 226/305/277, .582 OPS
RH--5 2b, 0.4 3b, 1.5 HR, 5 BB 199/236/299, .535 OPS




HOLDOVERS FROM PREVIOUS VOTES

1991 Otis Nixon, ATL, Bats-S, 1L Balance, CF/LR/RF-2(+2)e5, Steal: *2-7,11/-(18-16), 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—5 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 14 BB 347/438/401, .838 OPS
RH—0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 11 BB 328/402/328, .730 OPS




1920 Buck Weaver, CWS, Bats-R, 2R Balance, 2b-2e37, SS-3e31, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—4.7 2b, 2 3b, 0.3 HR, 6 BB 340/389/435, .823 OPS
RH--6.5 2b, 1 3b, 0.5 HR, 0 Bb 423/433/517, .950 OPS
Current 1919 Weaver, 2.92m, CWS, Bats-R, E Balance, 3b-2e21, SS-3e25, BULLETPROOF
LH—6.8 2b, 1.8 3b, 0.3 HR, 0 BB 336/342/441, .783 OPS
RH--6.8 2b, 1.8 3b, 0.3 HR, 0 BB 332/338/437




1993 Mike Stanley, NYY, Bats-R, 2L Balance, C-3(-1)e1, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—1.2 2b, 0 3b, 12.6 HR, 20 BB 362/492/815, 1.306 OPS
RH—3 2b, 0.2 3b, 6.5 HR, 11 BB 361/438/602, 1.040 OPS




1968 Stan Bahnsen, NYY, Throws-R, 1R Balance, S8*/R4
LH—3.3 2b, 0.6 3b, 1.5 HR, 4 BB 186/216/272, .487 OPS
RH--4.9 2b, 0.9 3b, 0.4 HR, 5 BB 149/188/225, .413 OPS




2014 Michael Brantley, CLE, Bats-L, 2R Balance, LF-1(-2)e1, CF-2(-2)e1, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—6.6 2b, 0.2 3b, 3 HR, 10 BB 367/444/534, .978 OPS
RH—10.5 2b, 0 3b, 4.7 HR, 6 BB 408/457/656, 1.113 OPS




1988 Juan Agosto, HOU, Throws-L, 9L Balance, R2
LH—0 2b, 0 3b, 0 HR, 0 BB 000/028/000, .028 OPS
RH--2.9 2b, 2.5 3b, 3.6 HR, 3 BB 255/275/433, .708 OPS




1964 Bob Allison, MIN, Bats-R, 2L Balance, 1b-4e20, RF/LF-3(-1)e3/, CF-4(-1)e3, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH—7.5 2b, 0.6 3b, 12 HR, 28 BB 368/549/948, 1.497 OPS
RH--4.9 2b, 0.8 3b, 7.7 HR, 23 BB 345/502/704, 1.207 OPS
Current 1968 Allison, 2.04, MIN, Bats-R, 1b-4e19, LF/RF- 3(+1)e10
LH--0 0.75 8 18 0.198 0.339 0.485
RH--4 3.2 7.1 9 0.309 0.373 0.633




2003 Eric Chavez, OAK, Bats-L, 4R Balance, 3b-1e15, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH—0.6 2b, 0.5 3b, 7 HR, 7 BB 185/238/408, .646 OPS
RH--10.5 2b, 1.3 3b, 6.6 HR, 9 BB 364/417/695, 1.112 OPS




1985 Donnie Moore, CAL, Throws-R, 7L Balance, R2
LH—1.6 2b, 0.2 3b, 0 HR, 1 BB 143/150/160, .311 OPS
RH—0 2b, 0 3b, 4.6 HR, 1 BB 300/306/427, .733 OPS




1993 Paul Molitor, TOR, Bats-R, 3L Balance, 1b-4e21, IN Game INJ Risk
LH—8.6 2b, 1.8 3b, 4.6 HR, 18 BB 458/553/740, 1.294 OPS
RH--4.6 2b, 0.6 3b, 3.1 HR, 12 BB 375/450/533, .983 OPS

1922 Ray Grimes, CHC, Bats-R, E Balance, 1b-4e21, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--11.3 2b, 3 3b, 3.8 HR, 18 BB 441/539/761, 1.301 OPS
RH--10.8 HR, 3 3b, 3.6 HR, 18 BB 429/529/739, 1.268 OPS
Grimes had only two seasons as a starter.

While I truly appreciate the work you've done to apprise us of the stats, Andy, the comments attached are slightly less appreciated. I know that they are your opinions (statements of fact in this case, but a bit cherry-picked), but you know that your opinion holds a certain weight around here; perhaps they would be better if they weren't directly under the stats. Certainly Grimes was a two-year starter, but that was due to a particularly badly discolated back (I didn't even know you could dislocate your back) and an operation. This guy could flat-out hit as witnessed by a lifetime (granted not a very long career) 133 ops+. For me, Grimes is one of those "imagine what could have been" cases. In 1922, he finished second behind Rogers Hornsby in 2B, BA, OBP & SLG (and thus OPS). He had 596 plate appearances, so he's not a Gates Brown case. He's getting my vote.

Andy it's clear you don't write obituaries for a living, or you'd omit the best years of a person's life as non-representative! We are remembered for our best and worst moments. The highest rookie batting average in the history of NL baseball deserves a card, IMO (George Watkins).

Ok. Comments removed. I’ll just list stats and hope they’re helpful.

Ok. Comments removed. I’ll just list stats and hope they’re helpful.

Thanks, Andy. Please don't take my remarks badly, they certainly weren't meant to be hurtful. I -- and the whole community -- really, really, really appreciate what you do and what you mean to us here. By no means should you censor yourself about what you think about the nominations: you of all people have the right to air what you think. It was just the proximity to the numbers that struck me as slightly problematic. Maybe we should open a "What do you think about the nominations?" thread...

Thanks again, Andy. The numbers are extremely helpful!

Bill

I didn't see these comments-

the numbers are extremely helpful-
I also found helpful previous comments on other threads making comparisons to current card selections-
not about players careers so much-
but what we are actually getting in regards to how a card fits in the set fwiw.

No comments! I love comments. Any put 'em back.

Youz guyz bettah vote for Duque or ur gonna git a visit from Moose & Rocco y'hear?

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Youz guyz bettah vote for Duque or ur gonna git a visit from Moose & Rocco y'hear?

There's a comments thread just below this one.

No comments! I love comments. Any put 'em back.

Youz guyz bettah vote for Duque or ur gonna git a visit from Moose & Rocco y'hear?

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go ahead bill- lmao

This is great. Can you please post the holdover candidates?